JJ OOP vs a LAG

[Unknown Soldier]

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shove flop

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that cant be optimal

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why?

[tubasteve]

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shove flop

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that cant be optimal

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why?

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villain has to call like $240 into a $200 pot...what worse hands are calling that bet?

[Jay Riall]

100bb I stack off here all day. 150bb deep though is dodgey.

[therockofgibraltar]

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So if you arn't 4 betting this pre and you are only calling the flop, how do you justify the turn call? You are obviously putting him on a overpair / hopeing he has AK, so why call the turn? you don't have a heart....his AK with one heart will bet everytime to get you off 88, 99, JJ. ...?

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what are you talking about? I said I FOLD turn.

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I wasn't responding to you. I was talking to the thread in general. Voicing my opionion... etc.

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sorry then, but you kind of responded to my post Re:rockofgibraltar. meh, np! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[2Paul2]

Thinking about it I kinda like donking flop for 1/2 pottish w/ the intention of getting it in. It's kinda risky w/ just the knowledge that he's 27/23 an repopping a bit but I prefer it to c/shove.

[hotbacon]

if he's been bullying you around then i think that donking the flop/shoving over any raise is pretty hot

[Snipe]

I kinda like b/f on the flop. He’s CBetting 100% of his 3bet range and we’re ahead a good portion of the time. A CR over-commits and turns your hand into a bluff and CC let’s way too many scare cards roll off imo. I realize you lose some value from the part of his range that missed, but you also have no clue where you stand when half the deck hits on the turn and he fires again.

The turn bet is just weird. Almost like he’s trying to induce a shove w/ a made hand and a psb behind. I’d liken it to a min CR and I think you’re behind here often enough to fold.

[Isura]

Yeah I think flop leading is good here. He'll define his hand really well when calling, and I think will bluff raise enough to make jamming over the top fine. Nothing wrong with winning 26bb with one pair.

[Marlow]

My first instinct is to either lead the flop, or crai flop, folding to 3-bet and jamming turn in the absence of a scary card.

Lots of folks like the turn crai better. I see no reason to wait until the pot is bigger on the turn to get better information from my aggression. Seems like we can represent AI commitment on the flop for a hell of a lot less money.

I would be interested in hearing other opinions about the flop v turn crai here. What do we gain by waiting until the turn?

[goofyballer]

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I really want to keep villain from owning me when half the deck hits the river and c/r turn all-in here. Def saying I would

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c/r flop isn't bad either, and no, it doesn't turn your hand into a bluff.