Daliman's NFL Wong teasers, Season Deux: Week 2

[Mr_J]

you'd definately approach him and say you hope he don't takes credit if all he does is throwing dice?

This is a little different to playing craps. The title of the thread technically suggests ownership, which indicates to me that he (Daliman) wants to be credited.

It seems all Daliman is doing is posting the bets anyone could make by reading a chapter of a certain book, yet people are are keeping his member nice and shiny and he goes along with it.

Too bad that the sportsbook will eventually either run out of cash and/or decide to change their lines on teasers.

I sent him a PM last year saying it was irresponsible but I think it's more about the praise/rep than the money.

5Dimes taking these +100 2 teamers

They're not true even money teasers anyway.

Hell, even with his posts, people here are STILL getting them wrong

Then let them get it wrong. If they can't understand something as simple as a basic strategy teaser, they shouldn't be gambling at all.

but he certainly adds value to the forum by pointing out which lines meet the criteria of a Wong teaser.

It's not hard to figure out which lines meet the criteria. The issue isn't so much that he's brought them into the spotlight of this forum (they're no secret in sports betting forums), it's that he's almost certainly doing it for ego reasons. The way he has gone about it is irresponsible and egotistical.

I believe basic strategy teasers would have been around well before Wong published the info in his book, and I don't think he takes credit for their invention anyway. Also, nobody calls them "Wong Teasers", although I'd understand why someone would do so.

[Mr_J]

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decent books with +100 on 2 team 6 point teasers: Sportbet, BetPOP, YouWager.

At BetPop push/loss = no action

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Do you think it is an intelligent idea to name even money teaser books on a forum that is now flooded with people that bet them?

[thing85]

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...and it is such a good thing that he's doing too. By sharing all this info with people who are too lazy to read one chapter of a book, he's making easier for people to make money off the sportsbook.

Too bad that the sportsbook will eventually either run out of cash and/or decide to change their lines on teasers. It is also too bad that the more people that Daliman introducing to these the faster the books will stop offering them.

Remember all the books that had +100 2 teamers last year? Remember all the books that didn't tweek their lines to basically charge the bettors more for teasers?

Yea...way to go Daliman. I know you love all the fame you have here - that is clear in your posts. I hope that fame is a good substitute to the future earnings it is going to cost you.

Why anyone would want to help people that are too lazy to ready one chapter willing to bring about a loss of his future earnings without getting anything back other than a pat on the back is beyond me.

Way to go Daliman!! You're the best.

I'm glad you appear to have only read Wong's book. Otherwise I'd be worried that you'd tell the lazy masses about the +EV plays on MLB 5 inning lines and NCAAFB first quarter totals.

Those are much more +EV than teasers anyways.

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dippydoo,

Let me guess - you're the guy who gets mad when people post bonuses, or when poker players here give very valuable advice, or when people post arbitrages. If you don't think helping other players make +EV decisions is appropriate, you probably don't belong in the 2+2 community.

I believe you said, "Those are much more +EV than teasers anyways." Why the [censored] are you getting so wound up on Daliman's help with teasers then? You obviously have a lot of other opportunities, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

[JasonK]

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decent books with +100 on 2 team 6 point teasers: Sportbet, BetPOP, YouWager.

At BetPop push/loss = no action

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Do you think it is an intelligent idea to name even money teaser books on a forum that is now flooded with people that bet them?

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Maybe some people like to give back to the community instead of only taking from it?

[thing85]

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The title of the thread technically suggests ownership, which indicates to me that he (Daliman) wants to be credited.

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Believe it or not, any thread on 2+2 with bets, advice, etc. includes the author of the post. It's commonplace in the sportsbetting forum to see an author post his or her name in the title of a thread that delivers certain picks. For example, we see "Myturn2raise's NCAA Picks" or "Performify's NFL Picks." Do you think these individuals own these picks? Do you think if, in my post, I pick CHI -7 and Performify later puts the same pick in his post, I'm going to be angry that he's putting ownership on a pick I made first?

No. Of course not. Daliman could easily title his posts "Daliman's NFL Teasers..." and it would STILL be an appropriate title. However, realizing that his picks arise from a basic strategy that he did not "invent," he credits the author who published the strategy. "Daliman's NFL Wong teasers."

It's ridiculous to assert that Daliman actually wants people to think that he magically came up with these picks. As for posting picks and ego - Congratulations, you've stumbled upon one of the basic elements of human behavior. *Gasp...people actually enjoy recognition for helping other people out? These forums would be empty if it weren't for the individual's ego. It would be full of questions with no answers. No one here is getting paid to answer others' questions (well, most aren't...maybe there's an exception here or there). People post because they want to help others (and secondarily, want to show off their intelligence and boost their egos).

[brendanb438]

Daliman owns Mr. Wong! It all makes sense now.

[thing85]

You got it man.

[PropPlayer]

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decent books with +100 on 2 team 6 point teasers: Sportbet, BetPOP, YouWager.

At BetPop push/loss = no action

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Do you think it is an intelligent idea to name even money teaser books on a forum that is now flooded with people that bet them?

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Most gamblers can get all the advice in the world and they will still lose. This info will help some people and is worth posting for sure.Search it on Google and you'll find the same info posted on TheRx, EOG, SBR, MajorWager etc.

Our little forum here is not going to put even a dent in these sportsbooks who take plenty of action from fish. For the most part these books will deal with sharps on an individual basis.

Like its already been said most people [censored] it up anyways. These guys lose one teaser the gambling nature kicks in they start chasing their losses etc etc.

It all more than makes up for the money that is gained. BetPOP seems to go out of their way to advertise through mailings the fact they have the best teaser odds in the industry. If they want to limit or cut someone off they'll do that, and beyond that I'm sure they don't mind the endorsement here and won't stop offering these teasers because of it.

[Mr_J]

Maybe some people like to give back to the community instead of only taking from it?

People give back in different ways. Some people prefer to give hints and help people work it out for themselves, while some people just point to the pot of gold.

Believe it or not, any thread on 2+2 with bets, advice, etc. includes the author of the post. It's commonplace in the sportsbetting forum to see an author post his or her name in the title of a thread that delivers certain picks.

I'm not new to the online gambling community. Comparing something innocent such as member X's PICKS is totally different to something like Daliman's Wong Teasers. In the first they are the opinions of that member, while in Dalimans case he is just regurgitating what he read elsewhere. What Daliman is doing isn't much better than posting the picks of someone else while not obviously disclosing that he isn't the source.

and it would STILL be an appropriate title

No it wouldn't. It might in fact be worse since it's even less obvious that he isn't the source.

It's ridiculous to assert that Daliman actually wants people to think that he magically came up with these picks

It's not actually as many people do it.

Gasp...people actually enjoy recognition for helping other people out?

There is a difference between helping people out and appreciating acknowledgment, and what Daliman appears to be doing.

These forums would be empty if it weren't for the individual's ego

Rubbish, there are plenty of people who are just looking for meaningful discussion. There of course are also those who are just looking to have their e-penis stroked. Now I can't say with certainty that this includes Daliman, I just think he has gone about it the wrong way. It just seems to me that he is exploiting some information he came across - and hurting sportsbettors - in order to approve his reputation among the 2+2 community. The fact that he has given no thought to how this would hurt the opportunity is a large sign that he isn't doing this for the right reasons.

If you don't think helping other players make +EV decisions is appropriate, you probably don't belong in the 2+2 community.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but my opinion is that you give a nudge in the right direction and then let people work things out for themselves.

[B00T]

Mr_J,

I suggest you PM Hogua/chachi. You guys would be best friends.