Why online poker sucks.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

Rek hit the nail on the head.

I want free rake. I'm not an affiliate, I'm a winning player (to be distinguished from "whining player.)It doesn't take a genius to understand that lower rake is better than higher rake, but careful. That money is spent to promote and advertise games, and find fish.

You offer a "theory" (I'm being kind) with no evidence and no solution. You are being flamed (rightfully) for this, not because anyone wants to pay more rake rather than less.

I am also of the belief that I should be provided with free lawyers, guns, and money but thusfar the bar associations, gun dealers and US Treasury seem to feel different. Why should you expect an offshore poker site to be any more charitable?

[OnYourBike]

Play live if you think online rake it too high.

[STOPRAKEGREED]

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Play live if you think online rake it too high.

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OK, a number of people have made this point, most quite snidely. Here is the response: GAMES ARE A LOT BETTER LIVE. A higher rake per hand is a lot more tolerable.

[STOPRAKEGREED]

Here is a question for all of the defenders of the status quo? When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%. Let's see if you can answer this question without getting distracted by your own greedy venom.

[Wires]

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When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%.

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Wrong again. 6 max became the norm because it was demanded by the players. As 6 max gained popularity players started gravitating towards the sites that offered these shorthanded games. The action junkies gravitated towards these tables making them much more profitable than full ring.

There were many threads on this forum (where the GMs of poker sites often participated) when 6 max tables first emerged. Lots of pressure was put on sites that did not offer short handed tables.

More hands = more rake of course but it was never the sites who forced 6 max tables upon the players - it was definitely the other way around.

I'm all for lower rake but posts like yours will never result in serious discussion. You make up facts (such as rewriting history on the birth of 6 max) to fit your argument. You don't offer any solutions and everything you have stated was already stated by the crazy who preceded you.

You offer nothing new or constructive to the discussion.

[thac]

FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

[Komodo]

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FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

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Its because its 4-handed?

[STOPRAKEGREED]

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FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

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Maybe you guys should "pressure" fulltilt to just offer 4 handed tables then.

[demon102]

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When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%.

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Wrong again. 6 max became the norm because it was demanded by the players. As 6 max gained popularity players started gravitating towards the sites that offered these shorthanded games. The action junkies gravitated towards these tables making them much more profitable than full ring.

There were many threads on this forum (where the GMs of poker sites often participated) when 6 max tables first emerged. Lots of pressure was put on sites that did not offer short handed tables.

More hands = more rake of course but it was never the sites who forced 6 max tables upon the players - it was definitely the other way around.

I'm all for lower rake but posts like yours will never result in serious discussion. You make up facts (such as rewriting history on the birth of 6 max) to fit your argument. You don't offer any solutions and everything you have stated was already stated by the crazy who preceded you.

You offer nothing new or constructive to the discussion.

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ooooooooo PWNED!!!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[STOPRAKEGREED]

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When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%.

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Wrong again. 6 max became the norm because it was demanded by the players. As 6 max gained popularity players started gravitating towards the sites that offered these shorthanded games. The action junkies gravitated towards these tables making them much more profitable than full ring.

There were many threads on this forum (where the GMs of poker sites often participated) when 6 max tables first emerged. Lots of pressure was put on sites that did not offer short handed tables.

More hands = more rake of course but it was never the sites who forced 6 max tables upon the players - it was definitely the other way around.

I'm all for lower rake but posts like yours will never result in serious discussion. You make up facts (such as rewriting history on the birth of 6 max) to fit your argument. You don't offer any solutions and everything you have stated was already stated by the crazy who preceded you.

You offer nothing new or constructive to the discussion.

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It is naive to think that the sites did this because of player pressure. Did they also raise the rake from $2-$3 because of player pressure? Put up the links where the GM's are getting pressured if you can. Also, as this very thread shows, the sites have plenty of lackies to post there point of view. LOL. There was more short action on Party Poker before the 6-max games arrived. Some of us remember when you could see 20 or so 2-4 handed games. So YOU my friend are WRONG AGAIN.

Really, answer this: Don't you think that the sites will try to manipulate the discussion on here? Answer no to that. I dare you. Then will see who gets flamed.