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#21
10-06-2007, 03:04 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
Top and bottom pair or bottom two pair with non-nut redraws is a very easy was to lose money. Unless you have a very good read on your opponent all your decisions will much tougher.
It is not a crime to sometimes fold a hand when you are ahead and the pot is relatively small if it will save you from being way behind in a big pot. 
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#22
10-06-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
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i think preflop is ok. tough situation on the flop. i think a fold is ok. or i may call and evaluate on the turn on the turn i would fold if he bets and i didn't hit a club. if i hit a club i would call and fold to a river bet. it is very passive but your hand is fragile and having 2 pair means nothing if opponent has AK, AA or KK which is highly probable. [/ QUOTE ] Villain doesn't have to have AK, AA, or KK to be ahead here, but it certainly helps... Worst case scenario: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769201 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad kc qh 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 79 9.63 741 90.37 0 0.00 0.096 Kc 7c Ad Qh 741 90.37 79 9.63 0 0.00 0.904 If villain has a better flush draw and an ace.... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769204 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad qc td 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 270 32.93 550 67.07 0 0.00 0.329 Qc 7c Ad Td 550 67.07 270 32.93 0 0.00 0.671 Against the QJT with clubs combo you're chopping... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769206 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - qc jh td 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 404 49.27 416 50.73 0 0.00 0.493 Qc 7c Td Jh 416 50.73 404 49.27 0 0.00 0.507 Against bare Ace-King http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769210 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad kd qh 5s -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 327 39.88 493 60.12 0 0.00 0.399 5s Ad Kd Qh 493 60.12 327 39.88 0 0.00 0.601 Against AQJT no clubs you're safely ahead.... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769213 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad qh js th -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 576 70.24 244 29.76 0 0.00 0.702 Js Ad Qh Th 244 29.76 576 70.24 0 0.00 0.298 My point is there are a bunch of bad matchups here. It all comes down to your read of the opponent. If you think he is capable of C-betting with something like 5678 with a baby flush draw then shove it in. But there are lots of legitimate hands he can hold here where you are in bad shape.
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#23
10-06-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
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[ QUOTE ] Is making a raise for information on the flop out of the question? Villain could have a hand like QQJT or another suited connecting hand and trying to represent AAxx or KKxx. [/ QUOTE ] raising for info is hardly ever a good play. calling is much better here. [/ QUOTE ] What's the point in raising "for info" when that self same raise pot commits you no matter the action when it comes back to you? Congrats, you've just learned he has you beat but now you can't fold anyway.
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#24
10-06-2007, 04:11 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
I do not believe you have to call if your pot committed. If you are certain you are crushed with no outs, then you fold.
By raising you might get him to fold and you take the pot down. As stated a few times already, there are not many good cards on the turn, so basically your calling and giving up no matter what. I am just looking at a way to maybe win the pot, every poster so far seems to have given up on the hand. Which might be the right play, I am trying to think outside the box.
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#27
10-06-2007, 09:08 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
preflop is ok, call flop and see what happens.
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#28
10-06-2007, 09:35 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
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[ QUOTE ] i think preflop is ok. tough situation on the flop. i think a fold is ok. or i may call and evaluate on the turn on the turn i would fold if he bets and i didn't hit a club. if i hit a club i would call and fold to a river bet. it is very passive but your hand is fragile and having 2 pair means nothing if opponent has AK, AA or KK which is highly probable. [/ QUOTE ] Villain doesn't have to have AK, AA, or KK to be ahead here, but it certainly helps... Worst case scenario: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769201 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad kc qh 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 79 9.63 741 90.37 0 0.00 0.096 Kc 7c Ad Qh 741 90.37 79 9.63 0 0.00 0.904 If villain has a better flush draw and an ace.... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769204 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad qc td 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 270 32.93 550 67.07 0 0.00 0.329 Qc 7c Ad Td 550 67.07 270 32.93 0 0.00 0.671 Against the QJT with clubs combo you're chopping... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769206 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - qc jh td 7c -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 404 49.27 416 50.73 0 0.00 0.493 Qc 7c Td Jh 416 50.73 404 49.27 0 0.00 0.507 Against bare Ace-King http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769210 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad kd qh 5s -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 327 39.88 493 60.12 0 0.00 0.399 5s Ad Kd Qh 493 60.12 327 39.88 0 0.00 0.601 Against AQJT no clubs you're safely ahead.... http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3769213 pokenum -o as 3s 9c 8c - ad qh js th -- ac kh 3c Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Ac 3c Kh cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As 3s 9c 8c 576 70.24 244 29.76 0 0.00 0.702 Js Ad Qh Th 244 29.76 576 70.24 0 0.00 0.298 My point is there are a bunch of bad matchups here. It all comes down to your read of the opponent. If you think he is capable of C-betting with something like 5678 with a baby flush draw then shove it in. But there are lots of legitimate hands he can hold here where you are in bad shape. [/ QUOTE ] thanks for the demos. do you think that you will be facing a turn bet more than 50% of the time in these spots if you call on the flop?
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#30
10-08-2007, 10:04 PM
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Re: PLO Aces up+FD vs. ?
im in the call - evaluate camp. you dont have to fear the worst always. his action on the turn will tell you if your hand is good or not. yes this is a bad situation, but you are not forced to stack off if you hit the flush for example. and you have position which is a huge argument for calling imo
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