2-7 TD $5-10 hand

[gergery]

I’m pretty new to table, have played 3-4 hands aggressively winning them all, mostly without showdown, so may have overagro image.

PokerStars Game #7165293412: Triple Draw 2-7 Limit ($5/$10)
6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FirstGuy ($130 in chips)
Seat 2: SecondGuy ($85 in chips)
Seat 3: FOLDER ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: folder ($135 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($310 in chips)
Seat 6: folder ($160 in chips)
SecondGuy: posts small blind $2
FOLDER: posts big blind $5
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd 7c 2s 9s 4c]
folder: folds
Hero: raises $5 to $10
folder: folds
FirstGuy: raises $5 to $15
SecondGuy: raises $5 to $20
Betting is capped
FOLDER: folds
Hero: calls $10

Call 2 bets w 3 card wheel draw when 2 other guys are capping?

FirstGuy: calls $5
SecondGuy: discards 1 card
Hero: discards 2 cards [Kd 9s]
Dealt to Hero [2h 6d]
FirstGuy: discards 2 cards
SecondGuy: bets $5
Hero: raises $5 to $10

Raising to isolate since the Firstguy yet to act drew 2 and I have 22467 draw seems no brainer

FirstGuy: calls $10
SecondGuy: calls $5
SecondGuy: discards 1 card
Hero: discards 1 card [2s]
Dealt to Hero [5c]
FirstGuy: discards 1 card
SecondGuy: checks
Hero: bets $10
FirstGuy: folds
SecondGuy: calls $10
SecondGuy: discards 1 card
Hero: stands pat
SecondGuy: checks
Hero: bets $10
SecondGuy: raises $10 to $20
Hero: calls $10

3-bet on the end with a #4 (24567)?

-g

[DeathDonkey]

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Raising to isolate since the Firstguy yet to act drew 2 and I have 22467 draw seems no brainer

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Definitely not a no-brainer. Don't like it in my opinion. If the guy behind you bricked off he might fold for one bet and if he improved to a 1 card draw he isn't folding so you are risking getting 3 bet by the first guy when he is pat and your draw isn't really that great so its not for value anyway (probably around neutral if you all draw one so just increasing variance). I just call here. Rest of the hand looks good though the river depends on who the villain is specifically. Against most of those 5/10 regulars I think a 3 bet would be crazy here.

-DeathDonkey

[monroe]

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If the guy behind you bricked off he might fold for one bet [snip]

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Honest question for DeathDonkey: What bottom-end hands do you isolate with predraw and then fold the next round (closing the action) unimproved getting 15-to-1 on the button? 763, 874, 873, 762? Are these hands (especially the first two) ones that you will sometimes fold pre, depending on your read of the opener?

[2461Badugi]

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Honest question for DeathDonkey: What bottom-end hands do you isolate with predraw and then fold the next round (closing the action) unimproved getting 15-to-1 on the button?

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I hope the answer is none, because I find this unimaginable. There are some people who do it, though. I know I insta-note them and bet into them a lot when I miss.

[StellarWind]

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Definitely not a no-brainer. Don't like it in my opinion. If the guy behind you bricked off he might fold for one bet and if he improved to a 1 card draw he isn't folding so you are risking getting 3 bet by the first guy when he is pat and your draw isn't really that great so its not for value anyway (probably around neutral if you all draw one so just increasing variance). I just call here.

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This situation is virtually verbatim from SS2 page 482 where DN strongly argues for the raise to improve winning chances by forcing out the two-card draw. DN's example features 7542 instead of 7642 and a pot that is 3 SB smaller due to a preflop of raise/coldcall/3-bet/all call.

IMO the larger pot makes OP's raise even clearer than the SS2 example despite the rougher draw.

Thoughts?

[DeathDonkey]

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Honest question for DeathDonkey: What bottom-end hands do you isolate with predraw and then fold the next round (closing the action) unimproved getting 15-to-1 on the button?

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I hope the answer is none, because I find this unimaginable. There are some people who do it, though. I know I insta-note them and bet into them a lot when I miss.

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This is what I meant, I wouldn't do it myself but there are some that would.

Stellarwind, I guess its time I re-read that section, not that I never do this just that I didn't think it was a "no brainer". But I might just be totally wrong and if so being passive in these spots recently has probably been costing me.

-DeathDonkey