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11-02-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: NL200 flop set oop after 3-bet preflop
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<u>This is not an instant call.</u> You have to give an unknown credit for a big hand with a re-raise pre in full-ring. (AA/KK/AK min) Obviously you can rule out KK given the flop action. You'd expect AK to just put in a decent size bet on the flop rather than the [equivalent of a] check/raise. What would your first guess be at which hand gets played like this most frequently? That is, an initial lack of interest on an Ace-high flop followed by a desire to commit his whole stack. (Usually a flop check and large turn bet/raise.) I doubt many would answer anything other than AA. It is not OK to just call (expecting to see AA) and put it down as a cooler. How is it a cooler!? A cooler is a hand where you've no chance of getting away from it. All the clues are there in this example if you put a bit of thought into it. I could often find a fold here, and save [make] money long-term because of it. [/ QUOTE ] ???????????????? Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 14,850 games 0.094 secs 157,978 games/sec Board: 7h Qs Ah Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 50.768% 50.77% 00.00% 7539 0.00 { 7c7d } Hand 1: 49.232% 49.23% 00.00% 7311 0.00 { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo } His lame $2 bet could also be indicative of a FD but w/e, it doesn't even matter, call. 
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#23
11-02-2007, 05:11 PM
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Re: NL200 flop set oop after 3-bet preflop
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[ QUOTE ] <u>This is not an instant call.</u> You have to give an unknown credit for a big hand with a re-raise pre in full-ring. (AA/KK/AK min) Obviously you can rule out KK given the flop action. You'd expect AK to just put in a decent size bet on the flop rather than the [equivalent of a] check/raise. What would your first guess be at which hand gets played like this most frequently? That is, an initial lack of interest on an Ace-high flop followed by a desire to commit his whole stack. (Usually a flop check and large turn bet/raise.) I doubt many would answer anything other than AA. It is not OK to just call (expecting to see AA) and put it down as a cooler. How is it a cooler!? A cooler is a hand where you've no chance of getting away from it. All the clues are there in this example if you put a bit of thought into it. I could often find a fold here, and save [make] money long-term because of it. [/ QUOTE ] ???????????????? Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 14,850 games 0.094 secs 157,978 games/sec Board: 7h Qs Ah Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 50.768% 50.77% 00.00% 7539 0.00 { 7c7d } Hand 1: 49.232% 49.23% 00.00% 7311 0.00 { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo } His lame $2 bet could also be indicative of a FD but w/e, it doesn't even matter, call. [/ QUOTE ] How much equity do you have if you weight the likelihood of AA/QQ/AQs/AQo in a 60/10/6/24 ratio?
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#24
11-02-2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: NL200 flop set oop after 3-bet preflop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] <u>This is not an instant call.</u> You have to give an unknown credit for a big hand with a re-raise pre in full-ring. (AA/KK/AK min) Obviously you can rule out KK given the flop action. You'd expect AK to just put in a decent size bet on the flop rather than the [equivalent of a] check/raise. What would your first guess be at which hand gets played like this most frequently? That is, an initial lack of interest on an Ace-high flop followed by a desire to commit his whole stack. (Usually a flop check and large turn bet/raise.) I doubt many would answer anything other than AA. It is not OK to just call (expecting to see AA) and put it down as a cooler. How is it a cooler!? A cooler is a hand where you've no chance of getting away from it. All the clues are there in this example if you put a bit of thought into it. I could often find a fold here, and save [make] money long-term because of it. [/ QUOTE ] ???????????????? Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 14,850 games 0.094 secs 157,978 games/sec Board: 7h Qs Ah Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 50.768% 50.77% 00.00% 7539 0.00 { 7c7d } Hand 1: 49.232% 49.23% 00.00% 7311 0.00 { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo } His lame $2 bet could also be indicative of a FD but w/e, it doesn't even matter, call. [/ QUOTE ] How much equity do you have if you weight the likelihood of AA/QQ/AQs/AQo in a 60/10/6/24 ratio? [/ QUOTE ] tbh idk - that ratio does not apply to me. i used to play 15/10 and now play ~22/17. if i recall correctly you play closer to 18/6 so people are going to play against us much differently.
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#25
11-02-2007, 08:09 PM
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Re: NL200 flop set oop after 3-bet preflop
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] <u>This is not an instant call.</u> You have to give an unknown credit for a big hand with a re-raise pre in full-ring. (AA/KK/AK min) Obviously you can rule out KK given the flop action. You'd expect AK to just put in a decent size bet on the flop rather than the [equivalent of a] check/raise. What would your first guess be at which hand gets played like this most frequently? That is, an initial lack of interest on an Ace-high flop followed by a desire to commit his whole stack. (Usually a flop check and large turn bet/raise.) I doubt many would answer anything other than AA. It is not OK to just call (expecting to see AA) and put it down as a cooler. How is it a cooler!? A cooler is a hand where you've no chance of getting away from it. All the clues are there in this example if you put a bit of thought into it. I could often find a fold here, and save [make] money long-term because of it. [/ QUOTE ] ???????????????? Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 14,850 games 0.094 secs 157,978 games/sec Board: 7h Qs Ah Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 50.768% 50.77% 00.00% 7539 0.00 { 7c7d } Hand 1: 49.232% 49.23% 00.00% 7311 0.00 { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo } His lame $2 bet could also be indicative of a FD but w/e, it doesn't even matter, call. [/ QUOTE ] How much equity do you have if you weight the likelihood of AA/QQ/AQs/AQo in a 60/10/6/24 ratio? [/ QUOTE ] tbh idk - that ratio does not apply to me. i used to play 15/10 and now play ~22/17. if i recall correctly you play closer to 18/6 so people are going to play against us much differently. [/ QUOTE ] A few will, but most won't- and if villain is unknown to you then it's most likely that you are unknown to them. Besides, I was just emphasizing that you can't assume those 4 possible holdings are equally as likely.
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