KK - Awful turn card - Page 2

monkeymaps · #11 11-13-2007, 04:23 PM

well is this flop 3 bet a bluff or for value? I mean if are shutting down when called cause we dont think we are ahead if we are called then its a bluff?

wslee00 · #12 11-13-2007, 04:24 PM

why such a small flop bet? i think that may have put you in a tough situation.

as played, definite fold on turn.

stabbyah · #13 11-13-2007, 04:31 PM

I think he has a straight here most of the time and you are definately beat.

KCrow · #14 11-13-2007, 04:41 PM

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well is this flop 3 bet a bluff or for value? I mean if are shutting down when called cause we dont think we are ahead if we are called then its a bluff?

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I 3bet for value and protection, there's a ton of hands in the villains range which raise here and will get all in with which are worse than KK IMO. All the flush draws, one pair + straight draw hands, overpairs.

I raised because there are so many scare cards which can hit on the turn.

#15 11-13-2007, 06:10 PM

Is calling flop and reevaluating turn terrible ? That board hit villains range real hard. If we decide to play for stacks here, I would probably consider shoving flop, since we will be pot commited with any raise, and not smarter on the turn.

bsball8806 · #16 11-13-2007, 06:14 PM

Turn doesn't matter, he has a set or 910. Now that the turn brings the third heart, he gets scared and gets it all in as soon as possible.

KCrow · #17 11-13-2007, 06:20 PM

FWIW villain had K9hearts. I think with these stacks I don't mind 3betting because there're so many hands in the villains range which would CR this flop. Combine that with the FE we get from 3betting and the times we get AI against an overpair or draw, I think it's +EV in the long run.

I definitly think that I should have bet more on the flop and 3bet more.