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Old 11-20-2007, 01:17 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

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How badly will an online player get owned though tells in a live 30/60+ game?

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about as badly as he gets owned by timing tells online
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

I concur. 15-30 guaranteed, 30 with some game selection
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

This seems like the appropriate spot: I'm a winning mid-stakes NO limit holdem player. I have played some limit over the years online but it has been very limited. I would guess that I'm a winning 10/20 online FIXED limit player, but that's just a guess. How high a game do you think I could sit in and be breakeven in AC (probably Borg or maybe Trop)? Assume the game is a reasonable to good game for the stakes. Thanks.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:48 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

Hi TWP,

You won't want to hear this...live: 20/40 probably because you can just out-fold everyone preflop. online: I very much doubt you can beat 10/20 like you think. The 10/20 6max games going on party day in and day out are tougher than any live 40/80 game I've played in probably ever, filled with a lot of guys that were beating a lot bigger games back on party poker.

If I had to describe what NL players do wrong at limit, it would be sort of difficult, because a NL player can blend in at a limit table for awhile depending on cards and the situations he gets into. But when a NL player makes a mistake in a limit game, he tends to make a BIG mistake, or a compounding mistake. He also tends to have a poor conception of his opponents' hand range so he has to play really 0'th level / ABC.

I know there is a sort of simmering anger that limit players all think NL players are bad at their game and NL players think limit poker is the kiddie game down the street, but since I know you are talking about legitimate stakes for both games, a winning player in one is pretty likely to be a fish in the other, at least right away.

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Old 11-28-2007, 05:51 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

How are the evening wait times for the 15 and 30 games this week? Anybody notice the game quality being significantly better or worse so far this week?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

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Hi TWP,

You won't want to hear this...live: 20/40 probably because you can just out-fold everyone preflop. online: I very much doubt you can beat 10/20 like you think. The 10/20 6max games going on party day in and day out are tougher than any live 40/80 game I've played in probably ever, filled with a lot of guys that were beating a lot bigger games back on party poker.

If I had to describe what NL players do wrong at limit, it would be sort of difficult, because a NL player can blend in at a limit table for awhile depending on cards and the situations he gets into. But when a NL player makes a mistake in a limit game, he tends to make a BIG mistake, or a compounding mistake. He also tends to have a poor conception of his opponents' hand range so he has to play really 0'th level / ABC.

I know there is a sort of simmering anger that limit players all think NL players are bad at their game and NL players think limit poker is the kiddie game down the street, but since I know you are talking about legitimate stakes for both games, a winning player in one is pretty likely to be a fish in the other, at least right away.

-DeathDonkey

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Thanks, DD. I think a big problem I have is that when you're used to playing multi-thousand dollar pots in NL, you don't want to go and play multi-hundred dollar pots in fixed limit. So you move from 10/20 NL to 100/200 FL. But I'll take your words to heart and probably won't sit in any terrible FL games. Although I have been reading this high stakes board for years, so that should have prepared me to beat high stakes games, WTF!

(Also, the 10/20 FL comment comes from actually playing 10/20 on stars, not from just completely idle speculation. But I've only played a few thousand hands, so obviously I can't prove that I'm a winner. I am up money, though, and feel like I can certainly identify the fish and identify leaks in the non-fish, etc.)
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:27 PM
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when you're used to playing multi-thousand dollar pots in NL, you don't want to go and play multi-hundred dollar pots in fixed limit. So you move from 10/20 NL to 100/200 FL

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One thing to remember though is that playing 10/20 NL, you are going to play a $1000 pot maybe a few times in an hour, so maybe 3 times in 100 hands? (I could be way off here). In a $100/200 limit game you will play a $1000 pot probably 90% of the hands. If you have big leaks in limit, they will be magnified by the fact that every pot risks this much money.

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Old 11-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

10/20 NL you play $1K pots all the time. Pretty much any pot that goes past the flop. But your point is fair, of course. I'm purely speaking from an action-junky perspective. I know there are better games in the casino for me to play from an EV perspective than 1/2 FL.
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

there are so few 1k pots at 10 20 nl compared to 100 200 fixed limit its not even worth debating
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Old 11-28-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: How is the 100-200 game in Bellagio?

so make it 50/100 FL or whatever other game I'm -EV in. I think everyone understood the point, thanks.
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