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Old 11-11-2007, 06:03 PM
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One interesting connection those three is that now we recognize our innate grammar structure and our innate moral principles similarly ( if less fully) it's easier to grasp consciousness as 'the story we tell ourselves' or at least that perspective of it.

Wide and diverse cultural testing shows deep moral principles that are the foundation we build our personal and cultural concepts of it on. Male, female, theist, deist, atheist, old, young, chinese, navajo... the innate language and moral base is a common one.

The moral reasoning we give for our choices is often a poor shoehorn attempt ( that fails under analysis) to squeeze philosophical approaches onto the foundation, sometimes leading to the 'inconsistencies' that DS points to. Those inconsistencies don't exist if you drill down past the claimed reasons for the choices. Other inconsistencies/conflicts of a different nature, may be seen there at times.

Our conscious moral reasoning, like the biographical view of consciousness, is to some extent a moral story we tell ourselves.

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Old 11-11-2007, 07:06 PM
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One interesting connection those three is that now we recognize our innate grammar structure and our innate moral principles similarly ( if less fully) it's easier to grasp consciousness as 'the story we tell ourselves' or at least that perspective of it.

Wide and diverse cultural testing shows deep moral principles that are the foundation we build our personal and cultural concepts of it on. Male, female, theist, deist, atheist, old, young, chinese, navajo... the innate language and moral base is a common one.

The moral reasoning we give for our choices is often a poor shoehorn attempt ( that fails under analysis) to squeeze philosophical approaches onto the foundation, sometimes leading to the 'inconsistencies' that DS points to. Those inconsistencies don't exist if you drill down past the claimed reasons for the choices. Other inconsistencies/conflicts of a different nature, may be seen there at times.

Our conscious moral reasoning, like the biographical view of consciousness, is to some extent a moral story we tell ourselves.

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Old 11-11-2007, 07:10 PM
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Right, what's the biographical view of consciousness and why is that a just so story?
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:30 PM
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A nice post. But I think you should expand on 'innate grammar structure'. If we disregard the biological views for having language and just look at at a classic language/culture interaction phenomena:

The terms for 'fate' are interesting when comparing classic western culture vs south-east asian culture. The terms are so different it is almost impossible to translate and this to some extent affects morality and view of the world in different ways in these two cultures. So it seems (at least on the surface) that learned language to some extent sets boundaries/context to our view of the world. So I'm very interested in what you put in the term 'innate grammar structure'.
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:42 PM
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This may be what he is talking about American Scientist Online
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:45 PM
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Ty for the clicky, interesting stuff. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:50 PM
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why do you sign your name on the bottom of your posts?
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:05 PM
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Mark Hauser has some interesting stuff. You should be able to find an audio/ video link if innate moral grammar is an interesting topic to you. I personally believe that is a great way to look at ethics.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:02 AM
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A nice post. But I think you should expand on 'innate grammar structure'. If we disregard the biological views for having language and just look at at a classic language/culture interaction phenomena:

The terms for 'fate' are interesting when comparing classic western culture vs south-east asian culture. The terms are so different it is almost impossible to translate and this to some extent affects morality and view of the world in different ways in these two cultures. So it seems (at least on the surface) that learned language to some extent sets boundaries/context to our view of the world. So I'm very interested in what you put in the term 'innate grammar structure'.

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I suspect all I'm reacting to is the modular and generic underpinnings of so many of the systems that have evolved to make us us.

Vision, language, morals, emotions, consciousness came to mind. That so much of it is testable even with all the overburden we've developed is quite a testament to their robustness.

The layer we interact with creates a storyline at the macro level that is unaware of the micro feeds that are driving the agenda. The construction of reality that our vision system produces is a decent example of the general concept.

The OP was an attempt to get some input in this area from the forum without cluttering it up with an strong claim.

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