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Old 10-31-2007, 12:17 AM
Wada Wada is offline
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Default Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

Villain 63/21/0.94 over 19 hands.
Me - no image yet, kinda new to table as well.

Fire away at me on all streets - please.

$2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:33 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

BB showed allot of agression(bet or raised everystreet) what makes you think hes gonna fold to a raisy on the river
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Old 10-31-2007, 04:57 AM
thepizzlefosho thepizzlefosho is offline
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

turn call is fine as you often have 10 outs, and can probably give yourself 7-8 on average (discount Js for when he has a T).

river is close to a call since he is so aggro. if you haven't seen a SD against him I think its fine to call and make a note, but usually i think this is a fold. pretty much all of his semi-bluffs hit a pair.

river raise bluffs are bad in this spot for 3 reasons: 1) people don't fold much at 2/4 for 1 more BB unless they already had a worse hand than AJ UI. 2) players who play with 60/20 pf numbers don't often fold on the river for 1 more BB &amp; 3) this card really doesnt look like it hits you very often since a T or diamonds aren't a large part of your range (ie he probably puts you on UI overs which is exactly what you have).
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:59 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

I think everything is standard up until the river against this player. Don't bluff this kind of retard.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:02 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

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river is close to a call since he is so aggro.


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sorry but that is freaking bad bad bad.

He was in the BB and lets say 80% of the time he got low cards and will value bet you to death. what are you hoping to see? maybe overcards 1 in 50 times
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

Fold river

If you wanna bluff raise someone here, bluff raise a multitabling TAG
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

Fold the river.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

You don't think my (stealing) range in this spot could be T9o through ATo, A5s+, and 33+?

What do you guys put him on when he check raises the flop?

I figured on the river it was either fold or raise, and calling was worse. Calling I would lose to a made draw or even a pair. Might as well raise since the river card is a scary card, flush or straight. Bad line of thinking?

What do you guys think - would raising the turn be best for a free showdown rather than just call turn and call river? If this is the case, the river card would probably make villain donk and put me in tough decision, making me lean towards folding.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

Do you think this guy gives a [censored] what your range is?
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: Retarded? Or just go with it? 4 handed.

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You don't think my (stealing) range in this spot could be T9o through ATo, A5s+, and 33+?

What do you guys put him on when he check raises the flop?

I figured on the river it was either fold or raise, and calling was worse. Calling I would lose to a made draw or even a pair. Might as well raise since the river card is a scary card, flush or straight. Bad line of thinking?

What do you guys think - would raising the turn be best for a free showdown rather than just call turn and call river? If this is the case, the river card would probably make villain donk and put me in tough decision, making me lean towards folding.

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I would have folded the turn if I didn't have the straight draw. He either has a pair, a draw or he's just messing around. On that turn card you really only beat messing around now and I don't think the pot is big enough to call down from there, but your draw lets you see the river.
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