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Some big pair hands
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Opener is 21/6.3 over 80 hands, probably horrible. 4better is unknown. Do I bet anywhere? Should I be folding to a flop or turn bet? What about a river bet. I was really really lost here. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($136.50) UTG+1 ($265.40) Hero ($111.50) MP2 ($56.55) MP3 ($80.70) CO ($23) Button ($109.60) SB ($19) BB ($25.75) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $12, Hero calls $6. Flop: ($43.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks. Turn: ($43.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks. River: ($43.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, Hero checks Hand 2 Villain is amazinmets, he's a nutpeddling nit. I have him at 11.8/6.5/3.1 over 700 hands. I assume people play it the same up to this point? Shoving preflop is definitely bad vs. this guy. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP1 ($26.65) Hero ($107.20) CO ($95.50) Button ($97.40) SB ($100) BB ($134.65) UTG ($270.55) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $10. Flop: ($29) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22. Turn: ($73) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $64 (All-In)</font>, Hero ??? Hand 3 Sound the alarms. I just got limp/reraised and then limp/4bet. Fold or shove? Yes, I know these are the questions people hate, but most of the time it isn't such an unusual situation. This is the first time I've ever seen this action. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($95.50) SB ($17.10) BB ($60) UTG ($134.30) UTG+1 ($56.55) Hero ($143.25) MP2 ($55.65) MP3 ($97) CO ($97) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $56.55</font>, Hero ??? Hand 4 Just a quick sizing question. Both villains are unknown. This is good sizing and shove every flop? Mainly asking because I don't 4bet often unless its a CO or btn open. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($115.55) SB ($211.60) BB ($41.60) UTG ($44.20) UTG+1 ($115.95) Hero ($100) MP2 ($115.45) MP3 ($86.35) CO ($160.50) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $9</font>, CO calls $9, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font> Hand 5 Villain is unknown. Turn is a good card for me. River overbet is worrisome. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP2 ($26.40) CO ($98.50) Button ($98.50) SB ($19) BB ($111.60) UTG ($125.65) Hero ($193.65) MP1 ($102.90) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4. Flop: ($15.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $18. Turn: ($75.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. River: ($75.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $90.65 (All-In)</font>, Hero ??? For your enjoyment, my heads up soul read and getting soul read PokerStars Game #13136389048: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/11/09 - 14:30:50 (ET) Table 'Cursa' 2-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: 07041968 ($97 in chips) Seat 2: BlueDevils09 ($102.70 in chips) 07041968: posts small blind $0.50 BlueDevils09: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BlueDevils09 [As 8c] 07041968: calls $0.50 BlueDevils09: raises $3 to $4 07041968: calls $3 *** FLOP *** [Jh 4s 3d] BlueDevils09: checks 07041968: bets $5 BlueDevils09: calls $5 *** TURN *** [Jh 4s 3d] [3c] BlueDevils09: checks 07041968: bets $8 BlueDevils09: calls $8 *** RIVER *** [Jh 4s 3d 3c] [2c] BlueDevils09: checks 07041968: bets $14 BlueDevils09: calls $14 *** SHOW DOWN *** 07041968: shows [Ks 8h] (a pair of Threes) BlueDevils09: shows [As 8c] (a pair of Threes - Ace kicker) BlueDevils09 collected $61.50 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $62 | Rake $0.50 Board [Jh 4s 3d 3c 2c] Seat 1: 07041968 (button) (small blind) showed [Ks 8h] and lost with a pair of Threes Seat 2: BlueDevils09 (big blind) showed [As 8c] and won ($61.50) with a pair of Threes PokerStars Game #13137229924: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/11/09 - 15:16:37 (ET) Table 'Latona' 2-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: goedhart ($193.30 in chips) Seat 2: BlueDevils09 ($192.30 in chips) BlueDevils09: posts small blind $0.50 goedhart: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BlueDevils09 [5h 7h] BlueDevils09: raises $2 to $3 goedhart: calls $2 *** FLOP *** [Ah 2d Td] goedhart: checks BlueDevils09: bets $5 goedhart: calls $5 *** TURN *** [Ah 2d Td] [Ac] goedhart: checks BlueDevils09: bets $12 goedhart: calls $12 *** RIVER *** [Ah 2d Td Ac] [Tc] goedhart: checks BlueDevils09: bets $25 goedhart: calls $25 *** SHOW DOWN *** BlueDevils09: shows [5h 7h] (two pair, Aces and Tens) goedhart: shows [Ks Qs] (two pair, Aces and Tens - King kicker) goedhart collected $89.50 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $90 | Rake $0.50 Board [Ah 2d Td Ac Tc] Seat 1: goedhart (big blind) showed [Ks Qs] and won ($89.50) with two pair, Aces and Tens Seat 2: BlueDevils09 (button) (small blind) showed [5h 7h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens |
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Re: Some big pair hands
Hand One: I think I bet turn. One of them has AK, the other may have you beat. But part of the reason I'm betting is I don't think it will go check^3 on the river. If it does, I guess that's OK.
Hand Two: Call. Because you didn't r/r preflop, he doesn't put you on AA/KK/QQ (maybe), and could be doing this with a pair you crush. I r/r flop, if not preflop, fwiw. Why is it so bad to push preflop here? Hand Three: Jaysus H. If you ever were gonna fold KK, that's the action to do it. I dunno if I can find it at $100, though ... Hand Four: Yah, sizing looks fine. Maybe a tad small, but whatever. |
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Re: Some big pair hands
Running bad CDL? My little poker brain generates the following:
H1: I would play it same way. H2: I would call. H3: Shove. H4: Looks ok to me. H5: This hand dosen't make sense. limp/call preflop. Check raise the flop and check the turn. This guy have nothing, draw or boat/quads. I think, I would bet the turn and obv call shove then. And why you think the turn card is good? This 3 helps the opponent but not you - turning his set to fh or 2pair into fh. |
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Re: Some big pair hands
H1: Play the same.
H2: Play the same and insta call turn. H3: Shove H4: Fine. If the raise opp's raise was a little more, I overshove to make it look like AK. H5: I play the same and snap-call river with Aces up. Betting the turn misses value IMO. Turn is a good card, Ranka. It reduces the number of combos that beat us. All the hands that were improved by that 3 had us crushed on the flop. Now there are less combos of crushing hands that opp can have and thus our equity increases. Not that I think this is opp's range, it's just an example: Board: Jc 3s 4s Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 33.487% 33.38% 00.11% 29742 94.50 { AA } Hand 1: 66.513% 66.41% 00.11% 59169 94.50 { 44-33, AsKs, AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As2s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 43s } Board: Jc 3s 4s 3c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 39.773% 39.77% 00.00% 1260 0.00 { AA } Hand 1: 60.227% 60.23% 00.00% 1908 0.00 { 44-33, AsKs, AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As2s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 43s } |
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Re: Some big pair hands
bump, imo
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Re: Some big pair hands
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Hand Three: If you ever were gonna fold KK, that's the action to do it. I would def. fold LDO![img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Def. call the KK against amazingmets, he'll show up w/JJ/QQ here against you won't he? Are people really so nitty that they won't? |
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Re: Some big pair hands
hand 1: I think I bet/fold flop. I hate letting him check through to get a free card, and checking to him and having him bet doesn't really help you with the rest of the hand.
hand 2: I like the preflop, flop is fine to get it in. Definitely get it in on turn. a 6.5 pfr is not low enough to fold KK. I check folded QQ to eyescreamman once but he had pfr of 1.5%. hand 3: If you are ever going to fold KK preflop this is the spot. I had a streak the other week of getting KK vs AA and it was always to a 4 better. For some reason the .5/1 players also love the limp reraise. hand 4: I like it, anywhere from 30-36 is good. hand 5: Interesting. It really looks like a set that saw the board pair on the turn and decided to get tricky since they didn't have to worry about the flush draw anymore. I probably let this one go. If he had busted flush draw no need to overbet. However, there is a lot you beat. I think if you are going to call river it is much better to be betting the turn. |
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