50nl 6max: 66 in 3bet pot

[patrick10]

To everyone saying fold PRE flop can someone show me some math or a pokey thread or something, i haven't checked up on this part of my game for a while but as far as i see PF,
we are paying $5.25 to win $10

Our equity is 33% against JJ+; AKo; AKs.

isn't this around the right price?

Note. 1) yes i worship pokey.
2) yes it is a tricky situation after the flop for 66.
3) yes it is a fairly large portion of stack (13% of effective stack)
4) I am not doubting we can fold PF, but i don't think its a big a mistake as everyone is making it out to be...

5) isn't there a NUMBER (eg. 9% of stack) which we can mathematically call with to flop sets? call me a dumbass for asking this Q but whatever. i think i remember reading a topic on this agggges ago.

[Chxdgt]

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5) isn't there a NUMBER (eg. 9% of stack) which we can mathematically call with to flop sets? call me a dumbass for asking this Q but whatever. i think i remember reading a topic on this agggges ago.

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Maybe you're referring to this thread?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=all&vc=1

[meleader2]

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To everyone saying fold PRE flop can someone show me some math or a pokey thread or something, i haven't checked up on this part of my game for a while but as far as i see PF,
we are paying $5.25 to win $10

Our equity is 33% against JJ+; AKo; AKs.

isn't this around the right price?

Note. 1) yes i worship pokey.
2) yes it is a tricky situation after the flop for 66.
3) yes it is a fairly large portion of stack (13% of effective stack)
4) I am not doubting we can fold PF, but i don't think its a big a mistake as everyone is making it out to be...

5) isn't there a NUMBER (eg. 9% of stack) which we can mathematically call with to flop sets? call me a dumbass for asking this Q but whatever. i think i remember reading a topic on this agggges ago.

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i tried to give helpful hints in my OP regarding his turn/river AF but noone seemed to care, except for a select few thinkers.

those who say fold PREflop are wrong wrong wrong. "you'll never get paid, its a bad call" well looky here, if i had 88 i'd have been paid already. and i'm in position against an OVERAGGRESSER. wtf more could u ask for.

HIS TURN AF IS FIVE. FIVE. FIF. why do you not call this. i understand AF is calculated even if he minbets. is it the amount of $? what makes you think i'm beat here?

[Lego05]

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To everyone saying fold PRE flop can someone show me some math or a pokey thread or something, i haven't checked up on this part of my game for a while but as far as i see PF,
we are paying $5.25 to win $10

Our equity is 33% against JJ+; AKo; AKs.

isn't this around the right price?

Note. 1) yes i worship pokey.
2) yes it is a tricky situation after the flop for 66.
3) yes it is a fairly large portion of stack (13% of effective stack)
4) I am not doubting we can fold PF, but i don't think its a big a mistake as everyone is making it out to be...

5) isn't there a NUMBER (eg. 9% of stack) which we can mathematically call with to flop sets? call me a dumbass for asking this Q but whatever. i think i remember reading a topic on this agggges ago.

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i tried to give helpful hints in my OP regarding his turn/river AF but noone seemed to care, except for a select few thinkers.

those who say fold PREflop are wrong wrong wrong. "you'll never get paid, its a bad call"

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It doesn't really matter if you get paid. In my post right before this one I said it, but there isn't enough money in play for you to have enough implied odds to setmine even if you get stacks in every single time you hit a set. You'll be getting paid too little for the amount of times that you will make a set for it to be profitable.

Now maybe you could call if you weren't planning on just setmining....but you didn't say anything about him 3betting you light and his PFR is only 13 and even if he is 3betting you light I really still don't really like calling with 66.

[Lego05]

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To everyone saying fold PRE flop can someone show me some math or a pokey thread or something, i haven't checked up on this part of my game for a while but as far as i see PF,
we are paying $5.25 to win $10

Our equity is 33% against JJ+; AKo; AKs.

isn't this around the right price?

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Hero's not all-in. Hero's gonna have to put more money in post-flop.


You need to on average make 11.7 times your pre-flop investment in order to profitably setmine.


Now here: there is $10 in the pot and villian has $44 behind so it's a possibility to win $54. Hero needs to call $5.25. 5.25 times 11.7 = $61.425. So hero needs to on average get $61.50 in the pot when he flops set in order to profitably call pre-flop to set mine, but there's only $54 in play. So there isn't even enough money in play for calling pre-flop to be profitable (we don't even need to think about opponent's range and how likely he will be to pay us off what we need) - this is an easy fold, not even enough money in play to cover the implied odds hero needs.