4/180 - QQ on AAx flop

All_In_Olly · #1 07-09-2007, 05:55 PM

No reads on villain.

I normally have no problem letting QQ/KK go when need be, however the 2 aces on the board mean its slightly less likely villain has one.

Then again, 4/180 players love to play an Ace, no matter what the kicker is.

What's my action on flop?

Comments on pre flop welcome of course...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1620)
UTG (t1280)
UTG+1 (t1430)
MP1 (t3360)
MP2 (t1280)
MP3 (t1540)
CO (t1510)
Button (t790)
SB (t890)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to t120, 2 folds, Hero raises to t480, CO calls t360.

Flop: (t975) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

Sherman · #2 07-09-2007, 05:56 PM

Check plz.

mflip · #3 07-09-2007, 06:07 PM

Sherman you know I love to cbet but stacks are kind of awkward to for bet/folding so even I don't usually do it here, check flop. But what is our action if the flop is checked through?

MJBuddy · #4 07-09-2007, 06:44 PM

I'd check the turn as well.

Betting here folds a lot of hands we're beating that will let us keep pot control. If you have a good knowledge of your table and you see him take a stab on the flop, use reads to know whether or not you should be C/Rai bluffing here.

But betting out here is bad. Betting out anywhere is bad unless you spike a Q on the turn, imo.

Sherman · #5 07-09-2007, 06:48 PM

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Sherman you know I love to cbet but stacks are kind of awkward to for bet/folding so even I don't usually do it here, check flop. But what is our action if the flop is checked through?

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My prefered line(s).

1) Check/call the flop. Check/fold the turn depending on bet size/knowledge of opponent, etc.

2) Check/check the flop. Check/call the turn. Check/call the river.

3) Check/check the flop. Check/check the turn. Value bet the river.

I think all of these are good so long as a K doesn't hit which might change things.

MJBuddy · #6 07-09-2007, 06:51 PM

Sherman, I hate to be one for what-ifs....but

Scenario 1:
Check/Check flop
Kh on Turn. CO leads out 650. Hero ???

Scenario 2:
Check/Check flop
Jh on Turn. CO leads out 650. Hero ???

What do you think on these situations?

Sherman · #7 07-09-2007, 06:58 PM

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Sherman, I hate to be one for what-ifs....but

Scenario 1:
Check/Check flop
Kh on Turn. CO leads out 650. Hero ???

Scenario 2:
Check/Check flop
Jh on Turn. CO leads out 650. Hero ???

What do you think on these situations?

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I'd almost never consider folding in scenario 2 (we have the Qh right?) and I'd be much more likely to consider folding scenario 1 (but not if we have the Qh).

Edit: I don't think I can fold the nut flush draw even with a paired board.

MJBuddy · #8 07-09-2007, 06:59 PM

We do indeed have Qh. That's why I'm thinking these over :P.

yurk · #9 07-09-2007, 07:40 PM

1) Call
2) Push in

All_In_Olly · #10 07-10-2007, 08:55 AM

Thanks to all for your feedback.

I actually checked on the flop and villain checked behind.

The turn card was as below.

I don't want to drag this out longer than the hand deserves, but now that I have a draw to the 2nd best flush, what's my action?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1620)
UTG (t1280)
UTG+1 (t1430)
MP1 (t3360)
MP2 (t1280)
MP3 (t1540)
CO (t1510)
Button (t790)
SB (t890)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises to t120, 2 folds, Hero raises to t480, CO calls t360.

Flop: (t975) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t975) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](2 players)
Hero ?

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