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Old 08-19-2007, 11:09 AM
KRS ONE KRS ONE is offline
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Default 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

What on earth do i do on this river? It's a wierd spot, no numbers on the villan but he's been playing kinda spewy and I think floating this flop is a must as im well ahead of his range still but im not sure if raising is the best move at any point in the hand.

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Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $4.59
BB: $25.00
UTG: $24.96
<u>CO: $37.91</u>
<u>Hero (BTN): $39.19</u>

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.00</font>, Hero calls $1.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $2.25</font>, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($6.85) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $4.75</font>, Hero calls $4.75

River: ($16.35) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Pot Size: $16.35 ($0.81 Rake)
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:16 AM
skibbel skibbel is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

i would fold preflop, i would fold the flop, i would raise the turn to ~20$.
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:40 AM
KRS ONE KRS ONE is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

WTF? Do you actually hate money? How can you fold JTs IP v. a retard 150bbs deep?

Its a question of how many hands he actually calls a raise with on that board that I can beat. I guess Acx might call the raise all in, but what that I actually beat are stacking off on that flop?
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:48 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

i can understand not raising on the turn, but i think you are missing some value on the river once you get checked to.
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:52 AM
murmeltier21 murmeltier21 is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

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i would fold preflop, i would fold the flop, i would raise the turn to ~20$.

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#2

no numbers on villain and just the read 'he's been playing kinda spewy' is not enough for me to call pf.
flop: i think you just cannot continue here with second pair.
turn: wow you got lucky. so now you should raise.

you lose a bunch of value on the river by just checkin it down...

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p.s.: if you wanna play this hand pf you should 3bet
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:06 PM
jjb108 jjb108 is offline
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

PF is ok looking to hit a big hand and get paid off.

Flop - you didn't hit a big hand and many cards will either kill the action or have you drawing dead. Dump it. This isn't a floating kind of flop to me. Bluffing a scare card here may be bluffing into the nuts.

Congrats, you hit your hand you may have improved from 2nd pair which is 2nd best to trips which is 2nd best. Since I'm here, I'm inclined to raise to charge the lone club from drawing out on me (especially since I saw the river action.) Calling is ok.

River check is good vs unknown, I'd hate to get raised here losing a river bet. If you bet and he raises, you killed the show down value of your hand. His river check may be to induce your missed club draw to bet out or villain missed his club draw. With a read on this guy that he's not too aggro, I'd bet half pot to get value from Qx hands.
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

IMO if you call the turn you have to bet the river, because the river doesnt really change anything regarding his range ie. if you thought you were ahead on the turn, you're still mostly ahead on the river. The straight is made more unlikely by the fact that you have one of the jacks
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Old 08-19-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: 25nl Missing value with trips on monoton flop?

pf and flop, 100% fine, anything else is crazy.

Rz turn for value/protection.

As played, bet river plz.
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