NLTRN ($5+0.25) Call this reraise all in preflop?

[bluffbetter]

Sorry about the unconverted hands but the flopturnriver converter is cutting half of these hands off for some reason.


Basically, the first 2 hands I thought might give some sort of read on the type of villain and the 3rd hand is the one I'm asking about. But I'm actually wondering whether this is a really easy call in heads up anyway, it's just that I'm used to playing at a 9 player table where it would be a fold against alot of people.

As you can see he likes to show his bluffs, which maybe I should be reading as he's a creative and possibly fairly loose player. What do you think?

BTW if this is a really easy call, what kind of range are you expecting here on average at this buy-in?


PokerStars Game #9963889855: Tournament #50533065, $5.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2007/05/17 - 16:14:18 (ET)
Table '50533065 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: T@K€$T00L0NG (1309 in chips)
Seat 2: bluffgood (1691 in chips)
T@K€$T00L0NG: posts small blind 15
bluffgood: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluffgood [Qd 6h]
T@K€$T00L0NG: calls 15
bluffgood: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s 5s 2h]
bluffgood: bets 35
T@K€$T00L0NG: calls 35
*** TURN *** [3s 5s 2h] [2d]
bluffgood: bets 75
T@K€$T00L0NG: raises 75 to 150
bluffgood: folds
T@K€$T00L0NG collected 280 from pot
T@K€$T00L0NG: shows [7d 8d] (a pair of Deuces)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 280 | Rake 0
Board [3s 5s 2h 2d]
Seat 1: T@K€$T00L0NG (button) (small blind) collected (280)
Seat 2: bluffgood (big blind) folded on the Turn

PokerStars Game #9963944753: Tournament #50533065, $5.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/05/17 - 16:17:40 (ET)
Table '50533065 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: T@K€$T00L0NG (1389 in chips)
Seat 2: bluffgood (1611 in chips)
bluffgood: posts small blind 25
T@K€$T00L0NG: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluffgood [3c Qd]
bluffgood: raises 100 to 150
T@K€$T00L0NG: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [9d Ah Jc]
T@K€$T00L0NG: bets 150
bluffgood: folds
T@K€$T00L0NG collected 300 from pot
T@K€$T00L0NG: shows [3h Kc] (high card Ace)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Board [9d Ah Jc]
Seat 1: T@K€$T00L0NG (big blind) collected (300)
Seat 2: bluffgood (button) (small blind) folded on the Flop


PokerStars Game #9963954028: Tournament #50533065, $5.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (25/50) - 2007/05/17 - 16:18:14 (ET)
Table '50533065 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: T@K€$T00L0NG (1539 in chips)
Seat 2: bluffgood (1461 in chips)
T@K€$T00L0NG: posts small blind 25
bluffgood: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluffgood [Qh Kh]
T@K€$T00L0NG: calls 25
bluffgood: raises 100 to 150
T@K€$T00L0NG: raises 1389 to 1539 and is all-in
bluffgood: folds

[chrismystero]

i like a fold, more often than not a villain shows me QQ+, AQ+, in my experience anyways

[ChicagoRy]

I fold here almost everytime I think, you don't have enough in the pot to justify a call here IMO.

Play around with loose ranges in pokerstove, that should give you a good idea of ranges to shove or call/fold to a shove at these stacks.

[samwallistea]

Such a big reraise you gotta think he's ahead, if he's willing to put his stack on the line on a bluff or a weaker hand than KQ then your going to bust him sooner or later anyway.

[jman3232]

Easy fold I would say.

If he has an Ace he has you beat. No point in betting the game on a toss up at most. It seems tempting, but just try and wait till you know you beat players like these.

[bluffbetter]

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i like a fold, more often than not a villain shows me QQ+, AQ+, in my experience anyways

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Surely this range is too tight, especially at this buy-in and against someone who likes showing their bluffs for some reason. Doesn't this suggest they are probably quite loose and anyway if I'm raisng, say 30% shouldn't they shove maybe something like 18% here? And at the very least I think you've got to have 77+ in their range here as well as AJ.

[bluffbetter]

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I fold here almost everytime I think, you don't have enough in the pot to justify a call here IMO.

Play around with loose ranges in pokerstove, that should give you a good idea of ranges to shove or call/fold to a shove at these stacks.

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The call is 43.7% which doesn't seem to bad. I read in one of Dan Harringtons books that you always have to include at least some bluff percentage when someone goes all in, so if I put their bluff percentage at, say 10% I'm thinking this might be close, but I'll have a lok on sngwiz.

[bluffbetter]

OK, sngwiz won't aloow me to put in a call from SB then a raise and then a shove, so I've had to switch the blinds around but I think the result would be very similar.

So if I was in SB and raised 35% and would call all in with 14% (44+ A8+ A6s+ KJs+) then with an edge of 0.10 he can actually shove 14.3% which includes JTs and T9s.

However I don't think his range would be quite this wide here because he doesn't know my raising range (which is normally about 25-30% but I'm not sure what it was up to this point in this particular game)

And amazingly if I am rainsg 35% and only calling 10% (55+ AT+ A8s+) then he can push 36% with a 0.10% edge whch includes T6s and 45s!!!

But if my raising range is only 25% and I call 10%, then his shove range goes down to 9.7%.

[ChicagoRy]

It's just generally a bad idea to call an all in with KQ when you have close to equal stacks and you have not invested a good % of chips into the pot already.

A common range for a villain at the 5-10s is almost any ace, any pocket pair, KQ/KJ. You're splitting with one, you're ahead of another, everything else beats you.

Now I call that a fairly loose range because I personally would not be shoving with a lot of those hands. If I'm limp raising somebody I'm doing it with a pocket pair and usually a high one.

Did you raise a lot of this guy's limps in the bb? He could be fighting back. Has he made this move before? Has he shown he can somewhat read hands and make logical plays? Has he adjusted to your play somewhat?

The answers to these questions are fairly important, but I doubt you want to be calling with KQ here, it should be a losing play.

[ChicagoRy]

I have a question to everybody reading this thread.

At whatever buyin level (I'm mainly talking about 22s and 33s in my experience but this can apply to every level I think) with the stacks and situation in OPs third hand, if you are villain and are going to limp reraise the BB, do you ever pop it up to something like 900 here?

I generally do that and I seem to get some weaker hands coming over the top of me once in awhile, I think the reasoning on this is some people may feel you are weak and just fighting back/tilting. Like I said this is just something that seems to happen once in awhile when I pop it up to 900 or so in this situation, and I've only played something like 1300 HU games and I can't really tell if this adds any profit/extra weak hands in this situation.

Just something I thought about reading this post.