1/2 AQ in blind defence

reutel · #1 05-19-2007, 03:35 PM

Opened up two tables, got these hands in the small blind. No reads, as I just sat down. Please note that the pf cap of everest is 5 bets (which is usually awesome).

Everest 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (6 handed) handconverter.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Button raises, Hero ??

PokerStars 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (6 handed) handconverter.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.75 (All-In), Button calls, Hero ??

LoNeLyAcEs · #2 05-19-2007, 04:26 PM

1#: no reads but still, if we are generous and put them both on TT+,AK the winning chances of AQo are 18% and the pot offers 13 SB for 2 which is barly enough...

Even if they are looser than assumed you still have no strategy advantages post flop, you'll be stuck between 2 agressive players...

EDIT: if the tables are know to be loose on Everest i would call, but if they are typical i fold...

#2: an UTG raise is usually a strong hand and you will be out of position postflop, so just call here...

the flop is ugly, you have no hand and not much perspective to improve even if the pot is that huge i still fold in that situation...

nomadtla · #3 05-19-2007, 04:55 PM

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1#: no reads but still, if we are generous and put them both on TT+,AK the winning chances of AQo are 18% and the pot offers 13 SB for 2 which is barly enough...

Even if they are looser than assumed you still have no strategy advantages post flop, you'll be stuck between 2 agressive players...

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You'll also be out of position and even though this is 6max (which implies looser more agressive villains) I think at least one of them has JJ+, AK (probably both of them).

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#2: an UTG raise is usually a strong hand and you will be out of position postflop, so just call here...

the flop is ugly, you have no hand and not much perspective to improve even if the pot is that huge i still fold in that situation...

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This hand is also 6max so the UTG raise is not as much a sign of strength unless you have a read that this guy is uber-tight in UTG 6max.

I still don't like the 3bet because we are out of position. If I have position I will 3bet down to AJo in 6max. But without it I run a pretty standard 3bet range (TT+, AQs, AK)

So I would just call preflop and check/fold the flop.

As played this pot is huge (which is partially our doing) and UTG may be stacking off. But we don't have much of a hand and button seems intent on staying. I want to let it go on the flop but we have some reasonable BD draws. I deffinately let it go on the turn, though I think letting go on the flop is good.

unterfish · #4 05-19-2007, 11:17 PM

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Opened up two tables, got these hands in the small blind. No reads, as I just sat down. Please note that the pf cap of everest is 5 bets (which is usually awesome).

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Why is this awesome? I dont get it.

The second hand: I dont even know: You have at most 6 outs. But this hand is so seldom, you will not encounter it often. (But all the other people are stupid, right?)

reutel · #5 05-20-2007, 04:46 AM

I folded both hands. I felt very weak about hand one. Especially after I saw their hands. BB had AJo and button had 99, but I think this is the best situation this happens

The 5 way cap is awesome If you have KK or AA, and some donk i s tilting (autoraising). You can charge all the people in between alot of money.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #6 05-20-2007, 05:20 AM

call hand 1

not sure what i do hand 2 but it sure as [censored] isnt folding....