200PS: Thin valueraise with full house?

TimberBee · #1 10-14-2007, 07:02 PM

Villain is 48/7/1.25 over 80 hands. He is pretty passive, but not really bad in any way I have seen. He also plays several tables.

Do you like river?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($306.30)
Button ($46)
SB ($194.70)
BB ($48.35)
UTG ($200)
MP ($343.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($10) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets $8, BB folds, MP calls $8, Hero calls $8, Button folds.

River: ($34) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $26, Hero raises to $66

Praetor · #2 10-14-2007, 07:31 PM

looks okay to me, I would fold to a shove

TimberBee · #3 10-14-2007, 07:32 PM

Yeah, that's my plan... I don't know why I feel so unsecure about this hand. But there's something "wrong"... Meh, maybe I'm just paranoid.

Buzz · #4 10-14-2007, 07:55 PM

TimberBee - I'd bet that flop. Definitely bet that flop (in spite of the obvious possible flush, or even straight flush).

Once you don't it's very hard to tell where you stand.

And you don't want someone who would have folded with, for example, a pair of jacks, getting a free ride. There also is a possibility someone will fold a non-nut flush immediately after the flop. (Probably not, but you should give an opponent the opportunity to make that mistake). Or someone might fold a set of fours to a flop bet.

On the river, your full house is likely very good. Any time the pair you use from your hand to make a full house is higher than the pair on the board, you have a very strong full house.

Doesn't look like MP has jacks full, but you might be up against quad fours.

Buzz

TimberBee · #5 10-14-2007, 07:58 PM

Yeah, I def agree that I should bet the flop. Then I can safely fold if I'm getting raised, and I'm not giving any freecards to the overpairs.

iggymcfly · #6 10-14-2007, 08:06 PM

I don't like it at all. If MP's decent, he's folding two pair on the turn, and if he hits a low boat, he's probably going to make a smaller value bet. I think he's got you beat the majority of the time here and this is closer to a fold than a raise.

On the flop, you can go either way. Both betting and checking are fine.

Elrazor · #7 10-15-2007, 04:28 AM

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I don't like it at all. If MP's decent, he's folding two pair on the turn, and if he hits a low boat, he's probably going to make a smaller value bet. I think he's got you beat the majority of the time here and this is closer to a fold than a raise.

On the flop, you can go either way. Both betting and checking are fine.

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agree - the board pairs and MP suddenly takes a liking to this multi way pot - i think we see 8's and J's, maybe quads alot here

alavet · #8 10-15-2007, 01:19 PM

i dotn see any call which dont beat us there

KakiTee · #9 10-15-2007, 01:44 PM

bet more represent quads ldo.

- the only hand you beat that might call was 3/4pr, you have too many blockers - too thin.