Rules Questions (only answer if you know plz)

[Lottery Larry]

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As to the issue of whether his call is binding different rooms/houses have different rules.

1. Some will make his call binding.

Personally I think action out of turn should not be binding (unless it causes players to actt behind it).


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We have this rule, though I'm reviewing it. Mainly it would be punishment for repeat offenders who cause problems with the action.

Then, they could be hit with the "you're calling, no matter what D does. If he reraises, tough lesson to learn"

It's a little draconian, so I'm revising it.

[Lottery Larry]

You can trust that psandman is usually right.

Also, your title- don't ever do this again:
"only answer if you know plz"

I will auto-skip posts with this in there, others might also.

[elitegimp]

One thing that psandman didn't mention (or that I missed) in reading his posts about situation #1:

If you guys are playing LIMIT, then player B can raise (the raise would be to $1400) because Player D's raise was more than half the current bet (if he was facing a bet of $500 and all-in for $749 or less in a limit game then player B would only be allowed to check or call).

As psandman said, in NO-LIMIT when a player goes all-in following your bet, you can only re-raise if the all-in raise was at least the amount of the current bet.

[Lottery Larry]

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One thing that psandman didn't mention (or that I missed) in reading his posts about situation #1:

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You missed it:

"(Note that there are some places that consider an all-in as full bet if it is at least half the full bet -- this is the common rule for limit play but occasionally you will find it used for NL)"

Also, I'm sure you meant to say "at least the amount of the current bet or raise" (as opposed to the total amount facing you)... right?

[Grasshopp3r]

Roberts Rules of Poker or whatever house rules you have should cover these situations. www.homepokertourney.com has links to these rules.

[Slow Play Ray]

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Also, your title- don't ever do this again:
"only answer if you know plz"

I will auto-skip posts with this in there, others might also.

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clearly a lie. ducy?

[Zetack]

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Psandman, thnx for your time. I appreciate it very much.

at #1: i think u misread it.
Did u notice that 4 ppl in total are in the pot. after the allin there are still 3 ppl with a stack in that pot. It cant be a showdown there, doesnt the action just continue?
IMO he can raise to isolate or for value. The question is what is the amount he can reraise?



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Although its been reiterated that the answer was correct maybe I can explain a little bit more. When you make a bet or call when the action gets back around to you can only raise if the action has been re-opened to you. In NL the action is only re-opened if there has been a full sized raise. And that is measured from what a full sized raise is at the time the player in question made his previous action.

In your example one, player B was the first to bet and he set the minimum bet size for that round, $500 dollars. A simple way to know whether he can raise is to know what the bet size is when it gets back to him. Since the minimum bet/raise is now $500, the action is open to him if somebody raises to $1000. In this case when it gets back to him, the bet is at $900, the action isn't open to him, he can only call or fold.

Now instead imagine player A bet $200, player B raised to $500, player C called, and player D made it $900 all-in and player A calls. Well, the minimum raise when Player B made it $500, became $300 (he raised $300 over the initial $200 bet from A) So to open the action to B, it would have to come back to him as an $800 dollar bet. In this case it came back to him as $900 so the action is open and he can fold, call, or raise.

Hopefully that's clear.

Robert's Rules covers all this by the way although the wording is not very easy on the eyes:

No Limit:

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous bet or raise on that betting round, except for an all-in wager. Example: Player A bets 100 and player B raises to 200. Player C wishing to raise must raise at least 100 more, making the total bet at least 300. A player who has already acted and is not facing a full-size wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet or less than the full size of the last bet or raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)

Edit: Sorry Rule 4 of the NL section of Robert's Rules, even more directly answers your question:

4. Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise. Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)

[pfapfap]

1: Player B can go into his pocket for more cash and push all-in.

2: Everybody gets two additional cards and the game switches to Pot Limit Omaha.

3: The dealer is responsible for washing the BB's car and pleasuring his wife.

4: Regardless of what Player D does on all streets, Player A is obligated to call it the whole way down.


Hey, you said answer if I know. You didn't say the answers had to correlate with said knowledge.

[Lottery Larry]

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Also, your title- don't ever do this again:
"only answer if you know plz"

I will auto-skip posts with this in there, others might also.

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clearly a lie. ducy?

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Clearly an exception for a new poster- ducy?

[Lottery Larry]

I swear, if i ever find the time, I'm writing this subject up for the HP sticky....