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Old 11-05-2007, 08:12 PM
TomChan TomChan is offline
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Default tend to fold middleset

game is pretty loose but calm atm, not many big pots till this one arrives

MP is unknown
BU solid (assume no KK here)
BB loose, bit tricky but not too good

Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

BB: $564.75
UTG: $942.00
MP: $744.00
CO: $1952.00
Button: $1624.75
SB: $999.00

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#FF0000">UTG raises to $20</font>, MP calls $20, Hero calls $20, Button calls $20, SB calls $15, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($120.00) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90, Button calls $90, SB folds, <font color="#FF0000">BB raises to $544.75 (all in)</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises to $724 (all in)</font>, Hero ???
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:18 PM
iggymcfly iggymcfly is offline
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

I think you definitely need to jack this up when you first get led into. There are a ton of draws out and you're not likely to be able to fold if a scare card comes on the turn since so many players are short.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

Easy fold the second time through. Probably raise 1st time through.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:22 PM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

spots not fun but I would push and live with the result sinse no-one has more than 70bb except for button that you say not having top set (and probably not a huge draw and will probably fold to the push). if BB or MP was much deeper I think its a fold.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:15 PM
Flip-Flop Flip-Flop is offline
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

Well.. if you can`t put anyone on KK you have the odds to call .

I don`t like your passive play in this hand though.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

I like raising the first time and calling the second.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:35 AM
TomChan TomChan is offline
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

ye, i also think its a call (at the end) now

but back to when it comes first to me.
i still think calling may be good here.
by raising i fold out ALL 2pair, bottom set etc hands which i beat and have to get it in against KK obv (which is not too unlikly since we are 6way (assume UTG doesnt have it so 4 possible KK holders) and against the monster draws wich i am a small fav against. The pot is still relativly small, so i thought its best here to wait for a save turn and get it in there, hopefully against weaker made hands since my play on first view really doenst look like middleset and they might stick it in there
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:24 AM
iggymcfly iggymcfly is offline
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

[ QUOTE ]
but back to when it comes first to me.
i still think calling may be good here.
by raising i fold out ALL 2pair, bottom set etc hands which i beat

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless, you've been playing really passive or in a bad game, I don't believe this is true at all. People hate folding sets, and I don't think you'll find a lot of players that will let bottom set go with only 70 big blinds on the table. If anything, you're losing value against players with bottom set, by allowing a scare card to come and losing value against the draws by letting them fold if the board pairs.
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

you are also losing value against weak draws like JT no clubs and low flush draws that might stick around if priced in and then jam it when they hit. as other posters have pointed out this hand is standard with 70bb's
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: tend to fold middleset

Fold as played.
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