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Value Extracting.
Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $77.61 Hero (SB): $49.50 BB: $37.87 UTG: $98.52 CO: $52.45 Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) UTG calls $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, BB calls $2, 2 folds Flop: ($6) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, BB calls $5 Turn: ($16) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $5</font>, Hero folds... Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $77.36 Hero (BB): $50 UTG: $35.82 MP: $60.65 CO: $96.52 BTN: $51.70 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks Flop: ($1.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2.50 Turn: ($6.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50 River: ($11.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4 Results: $19.50 Pot ($0.97 Rake) Hero mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pairs, Aces and Queens) and LOST (-$9.50 NET) UTG showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and WON $18.53 (+$9.03 NET) <font color="blue"> Same villain in both of the above hands - first posted hand was the first hand we played vs each other. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. second posted hand is just after the first hand I call down purely for info - I have NO reads on this guy and he kept it cheap - my hand had some SD value so I called expecting him to have a weak ace or Q better kicker hand and I wanted the information. 3rd Hand is a little later ~30ish hands into the session.</font> Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $86.35 Hero (SB): $52.30 BB: $52.81 UTG: $47.25 MP: $101.07 CO: $54.03 Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) 3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25 Flop: ($5.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $3.20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.40</font>, BB calls $6.40, BTN calls $3.20 Turn: ($24.45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $10</font>, BB calls $10, BTN folds River: ($44.45) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $???</font> only other reads I have is that he is a bit cagey - but does tend to call too much and overvalues his one/two pair hands - he takes his sweet time with every decision. Comments on play in hand 3 so far please - and as played given that I think a push will scare him into folding - how big can I VB here? - is this an obvious push anyway as I have less than a PSB?? |
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Re: Value Extracting.
C/f flop on H1.
Fold H2 too on flop. H3: Raise 3.5x his bet. You don't want to give him odds for the FD. Shove turn. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
H2 is hideous. No amount of info is worth paying 40% of your stack for.
H3 I like leading these flops with sets but as played I bet bigger on turn. Making it $15 sets up an easy river shove. Shove river anyway but by betting more on the turn you make it easier for him to call with an ace. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
Hand 1: I prefer just flatcalling preflop with 22 in that spot, but if you decide to squeeze, I make the bet bigger. 3$ or 3.5$. Cbet is fine, but I give up on turn.
Hand 2: I know it looks like a mid pair, but I just fold here. Hand 3: Depends on my image, if I have been pretty aggressive at the table, I like the minraise. If I haven`t I just call flop and checkraise turn, since I expect villain to fire again, due to the spades on the board. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
H3
I think I bet more on the turn. What hand that calls 10$ is going to fold for 15$? If I bet 15$ on the turn I push river. As played I still push river. I mean if you bet out he has to know he is beat if he just has an A and if he's willing to call with an A he will call no matter how big you bet. A big bet might even make him talk himself into thinking you are bluffing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Seeing the action in previous hands a river c/r comes to mind but it is too risky IMO, he might just check behind. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
I'd be loving a half pot flop donk in hand 3. Sets you up for a big pot and saves you from the possibilty of villan getting free turn card on a spade draw. I've found that I often get raised by a villan trying to push me off a draw. Good way to a) get value b) find out if you're up against a draw. I don't think this is too transparent a play at these levels.
As a side note. Probably not representative of your play in general. In hands 1 & 2 where you have nothing, you either c/f or bet big (ie. close(ish) to pot). In hand 3 you have a monster and you min-raise / minbet. I might be feeling like you're milking me if I'm the villan in hand 3 after your action in the other 2 hands. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
Given the 3-way situation, I like leading the flop here.
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Re: Value Extracting.
[ QUOTE ]
Given the 3-way situation, I like leading the flop here. [/ QUOTE ] I do this often with a big hand and it should work here too. I think it works best HU because you get reraised by air a lot. Multiway the donkbet gets more respect because it's a strong draw that's looking to get it all in on the flop a lot of the time. So 3+ way I'd expect to get reraised by a strong draw or AQ or better - which BTN might not have so it's not that bad to try to get his cbet in case he missed completely. I think I would still donk most of the time - I might reconsider it because of the BB though as he has shown (in hand 1) that he will just call with an A here and we risk to end up with a smaller pot than we would have if we let BTN cbet. |
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Re: Value Extracting.
i dont like the turn bet. make it bigger so that u arent in such an akward spot on the river here. if u make it like 15ish on the turn it sets up for an easy river shove. u r also giving him better odds to draws to a flush which is a part of his range.
as played i prolly shove and hope he thinks it looks like a bluff and will call with Ax hands and better. (i think makin it 23 or sumtin looks stronger and will get the same number of calls as does a shove because it looks stronger imo but he will still call with a decent range cuz he is gettin such good odds. yet with a shove he thinks u r tryin to bluff off or w/e and thus calls u nearly as wide.) |
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Re: Value Extracting.
Hand 2: Small bets (1/3 to 1/2 pot) on ever street on ace high flops are weak aces like 90% of the time. Easy flop fold.
Hand 3: I like a c/r on A high flops but yea, raise to around 12 to get value from aces and protect against the flush draw. I would lead the turn strong and shove anything left in on the river, although shove turn is fine too. No reason to slowplay this OOP imo. |
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