TPTK facing donk bet on turn when flush card hits

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*grunch*
Raise Preflop, lead out the flop.

TWIWP this is a WAWB spot

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No it isn't. Not even close to it.

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1)If u raise u will only face better hands. By calling u let smaller Aces or J's (hands u dominate) come in which u don't mind.

2) Raising gives a tough player a better chance to isolate u. Being isolated with AJo OOP is not pleasent. It's easy to make a misstakes: calling down with few outs, or folding the best hand.

3) If there are two raises behind u, u can get out if u limp.

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1. This is true. Then again, you also let little pairs in for cheap, and you rather that they fold.

2. How big a deal is it if somebody 3-bets you? Yeah, I know it feels bad when that happens, but really it's only cost you 1 sb (your pfr) because presumably the 3-bettor was raising anyway if you had limped. And when you get 3-bet, at least you know you're up against a big hand and you know to proceed with extreme caution. When 2+2ers recommend open-raising AJo in EP, we assume you know better than to get into a raising war with a 3-bettor when you flop top pair.

This assumes that the 3-bet is a legitimate 3-bet and that the reraiser isn't just screwing around. But either way is fine. If somebody is consistently "iso-raising" my UTG raises, he's going to be in for a very long day considering that AJo is pretty much at the very bottom of my range (except for KQo and KJs).

3. True, but how often does this happen? And it's not like you can't get away from this if you raise and it's capped back to you.

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Ok, u win this battle, but I'm not giving up on the war Mwahahahahah [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]! I really don't have anything more clever to say. Thnx jrz.

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AJo is a top pair hand ... by limping in 'tight games' you allow much weaker hands to enter from LP - many which you dominate
I think this is a good move to mix up your game, as you move up in limit (the games get tighter and you face more 'TAGs' ... table vpip's are around 13-20) ... AJo is a super strong hand compared to a LP limper's range (or a blind hand)

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You've got too many players behind to raise and you want to encourage mistakes. Calls by QJ and the like... don't raise this hand PF. If you're in MP? Yes raise.