50NL: Down 10 buyins in 7K hands (Help me analyze some hands)

O.T.G. · #1 11-22-2007, 03:27 AM

After 8K hands at 50NL I was up 10 buyins and 7K hands later I am back to even.

After looking at my pokertracker HHs I see that most of the downswing is just from gross bad beats or coolers. There are only a few stand out hands that I think I played poorly. Below are several hands that I am not sure about and hope that you guys can help me fill some leaks.

Hand #1
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Hero ($81.50)
UTG ($101.05)
UTG+1 ($194.85)
MP1 ($95.15)
MP2 ($88.20)
MP3 ($11.60)
CO ($19.10)
Button ($20.80)
SB ($12.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $3.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($13.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $8.5, UTG raises to $25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $77.5 (All-In), UTG calls $52.50.

Turn: ($168.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)
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River: ($168.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $168.25

The villain was a huge donk which is why I stacked off on such a dry board. I still think I messed this up pretty bad.

Hand #2
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UTG ($102.45)
UTG+1 ($37.05)
MP1 ($62.70)
Hero ($50)
CO ($53.55)
Button ($63.25)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($43.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.75, 4 folds, MP1 calls $4.75.

Flop: ($14.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $10, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($34.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $45.95 (All-In), Hero calls $33.25 (All-In).

River: ($113.45) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)
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Final Pot: $113.45

I just called on the flop because I figured I would just fold out hand like 99-QQ. Then on the turn I pick up the nut flush draw to go with TPTK. Easy call?

Hand #3
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BB ($50)
UTG ($49.75)
UTG+1 ($53.80)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($35.85)
MP3 ($16.55)
Hero ($50)
Button ($41.75)
SB ($42.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, Button calls $2.25, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, Button raises to $16, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $47.75 (All-In), Button calls $23.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($94.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)
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River: ($94.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $94.75

Villain was a bad player, but I still think I overplayed this hand. I felt it was way to nitty to just fold, and I didnt wanna flat call and have no idea where I was at. Did I overplay this?

Hand #4
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BB ($31.25)
UTG ($42.25)
UTG+1 ($50)
MP1 ($29.35)
MP2 ($6.40)
CO ($79.45)
Button ($29.60)
Hero ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP2 folds, CO calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5.

Turn: ($17) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $28.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $57.50

Had no read on the villain.

Hand #5
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BB ($4)
UTG ($54.50)
UTG+1 ($13)
MP1 ($13.30)
MP2 ($52.25)
CO ($49.70)
Hero ($67.45)
SB ($89.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, CO calls $2.25.

Flop: ($6.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $4.75, CO calls $4.75.

Turn: ($15.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $10, CO raises to $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $45.75

Had no read. Didn't know whether to check behind the scary turn card and giving the free card, or just pound away. Then the check min raise just gave me the feeling I was beat.

Hand #6
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CO ($9.70)
Button ($96.60)
SB ($56.10)
BB ($182.80)
UTG ($48.40)
Hero ($50)
MP1 ($43.20)
MP2 ($53.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.75, 4 folds.

Flop: ($4.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3.

Turn: ($10.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP2 calls $7.

River: ($24.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $13.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $37.75

No read again. The K looked like a good card to 2 barrel but he still called so I was worried about a big hand. Then I hit my ace on river, but wasn't even sure if I was now ahead. When I check he fires into the ace and the king on board and I just didnt see what I could beat. Maybe I butchered this hand.

Hands #7 though infinty
I have never ever ever in my life experienced such a long stretch of hands where I get raised every single time I c-bet when I miss and get tons and tons of folds when I c-bet with a good hand. This is friggin 50NL. 99% of the players aren't taking away pots from you with nothing. Are my opponents actually flopping big hands on me that often? It is getting scary. I am also getting most of my big hands in the blinds and have to play them OOP. 3 limpers and I have AK in the SB, I have to raise it up and bloat the pot OOP. Should I just complete?

WantToLearn · #2 11-22-2007, 04:45 AM

No offence, I really prefer the hands one by one with a new thread for each of them.

Makes it a lot easier especialy when multiple answers come.

O.T.G. · #3 11-22-2007, 04:48 AM

My bad. I just thought it would be easier to just go down the line and say...

#1 You suck
#2 You are terrible
#3 Quit poker now
etc

Next time I'll do multiple threads.

WantToLearn · #4 11-22-2007, 04:56 AM

[ QUOTE ]

#1 You suck
#2 You are terrible
#3 Quit poker now
etc

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, you can get a lot of support here. So the answers are really more like "#2, turn betting, his range is... when he ... you should probably.... river becomes easier then because.... but as played..."

Now imagine ten answers to a mix of multible hands [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

O.T.G. · #5 11-22-2007, 05:00 AM

I am confused now. I am was just hoping for players that wanted to help to scan down the list of 6 hands and give advice on how the hands should be played.

BotOnTilt · #6 11-22-2007, 07:18 AM

I play one level lower, but I doubt the games change that much that my comments would be useless. Its a bit hard to give advice as you don't even put PT stats on the villains. Just saying that a player is bad doesn't do much for me, as I don't know if you mean that he plays too many hands, plays too passively/agressively or folds too easy.

Hand 1: Your push is only going to be called by hands that beat you, and you are both deep so I think pushing is bad.

Hand 3: You say button is bad, but is he really going to raise & felt TPGK on a J-high board? I'd fold flop, especially when OOP.

Hand 6: I'm calling river all day. The flush & straight draws missed and you gave villain an opportunity to bluff.

demon102 · #7 11-22-2007, 07:56 AM

After looking at a these hands I think u just need more experience, hands 1 thru 3 looks like ur stacking off kind of light, when ur opponents are playing back at u very strongly. Just the way they played them made them look super strong imo.

I like ur play on the last hand as I use that line too sometimes. I dont know about the river there though

O.T.G. · #8 11-22-2007, 02:55 PM

Almost every hand I play they are playing back at me strongly. I honestly get raised like 80% of the time I bet, even though I am like 12/9/3. These super passive tables/players all of the sudden turn into raising machines when I am in a pot, unless I course I have a set or something strong. It is really freaking me out.

I raise with 88. Flop is AK8. They check, I bet, they fold.

I raise with 88. Flop is AK7. They check, I bet, they raise.

This pattern has been standard for the past 7K hands. It's like it's not even real. It can't be happening every time.

(Also I'll look up the stats on the players after Thanksgiving since I don't have time right now)

mmctrab · #9 11-22-2007, 03:15 PM

Part of it is that you're probably running bad. Some of it is that maybe you need to stop c-betting all the time and mix things up. If you raise with pocket 8s and get called, and the flop is AK7, you have to think there's a good chance the caller has a piece of the flop. Think about not c-betting a flop like that and just check behind. But, you also need to stop being so aggressive with TP hands.

RapidEvolution · #10 11-22-2007, 04:21 PM

Hand 1: I'd raise more preflop (probably to $5) someone's definitely coming along. You've got an overpair and an SPR of 6. I think this is fine. Donk will show up with all kinds of jank here.

Hand 2: I'm folding the turn here. You'll see AA/KK/KQ and made flushes a good majority of the time here. I can't see him leading flop AND turn with something like JJ/TT/JT (though maybe JdTd). You have redraws to the nut flush if you're behind, but you're not getting odds and since you're calling the shove instead of making it, you've got no FE.

Hand 3: I fold to the flop raise. He's got very little invested and I think he'd more likely call with KJ. Calling is definitely bad here as you're OOP, but I think folding is a much better idea. I think committing with TPTK is a bad idea here, especially since the board is pretty dry.

Hand 4: I'm really tempted to c/c the turn here. As played, I might get it in here as I think we'll see lots more pair/draws on this board than 2pair hands and sets. I might be wrong though.

Hand 5:Raise more preflop and bet more on the flop and turn (I'd probably pot it). As played, I think the turn fold is good. Villain seems to either be setting up for a river push, or badly protecting 2pair.

Hand 6: I might c/shove the turn (and possibly c/r the flop) with a draw this strong. As played, I call the river and expect to see a busted heart draw a good amount of the time. I'd put him on a busted heart draw enough of the time to make calling here +EV.

Hands 7-oo

How often are you c-betting? If your % is very high, observant players will float you mercilessly on boards they think you missed. I don't know enough about your stats or what kind of game you play (if you want to post numbers, or PM me, that's fine too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]), so it's hard to be more specific, but cbetting less has helped my game a ton. Also, take notes on players who call you a lot on the flop and try to take it away from you, then c/r the turn against them when they go for the steal. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]