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Old 11-07-2007, 11:14 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Default 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

Villain is a TAG regular. I have him running around 24/18, but only 50 hands at the table. I am running around 22/18.

Note stacks sizes. I make a standard LP raise from the CO. Villain 3 bets me from the BU. This is the first time he has 3 bet. I think his range is pretty wide, since I have been raising from LP a lot. I decided to 4 bet, rather than play it OOP. Villain then shoves. Now after he shoves I'm basically putting him on QQ+ and AK so I fold.

Do you like 4 betting here? Do you like the size of my 4 bet? Thoughts on making this fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $50
UTG: $48.50
MP: $43.20
Hero (CO): $67.10
BTN: $87.30
SB: $49.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $6</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $87.30 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

Seems fine... If he just calls what's your plan for the flop?
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

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If he just calls what's your plan for the flop?

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Old 11-07-2007, 11:35 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

Not liking the 4-bet against someone who has never 3-bet you before. When you 4-bet him you are basically inviting a shove or a fold. I'd rather just call his 3-bet and go from there.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

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Not liking the 4-bet against someone who has never 3-bet you before. When you 4-bet him you are basically inviting a shove or a fold. I'd rather just call his 3-bet and go from there.

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I pretty much wanted him to fold. I don't mind taking the pot down preflop. He's a decent player so it's going to hard to win much OOP if I'm ahead. My default is to usually call, but I've been mixing in 4 bets lately against the TAG regs.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

If you want to mix it up I'd rather 4-bet with a junky hand rather than a hand with value like QQ. Most TAGs aren't going to be calling a 4-bet with anything you beat without some serious history. So if he folds you got him to fold a hand like JJ or TT, and if he calls he almost always has AA,KK. Just a huge waste IMO.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

Would like to get some more thoughts on this hand.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

if I 4-bet QQ, I'm not folding it. Even if he has KK+,AK you have equity to call
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

I don't mind 4 betting if you've seen him bluff aggressive players before. Otherwise calling and evaluating is better. Easy fold to the shove.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: 50NL: I 4bet QQ against TAG

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if I 4-bet QQ, I'm not folding it. Even if he has KK+,AK you have equity to call

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With 100bb stacks I would call after 4 betting. Here the stacks were slightly deeper. I still had $50 left after 4 betting. Is it still a call?
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