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Old 07-24-2007, 08:25 PM
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All due respect, this is a really dumb opinion. One might say that the USA was built on the backs of African slaves, stolen from Native Americans, and layered over the corpses of immigrant laborers.

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Here we go again. The hate America crowd comes forward. Every country has taken over land, and fought for land, so get over it. Oh, and those, "corpses of immigrant laborers" CAME HERE VOLUNTARILY. Try picking up a history book.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:27 PM
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Increasing the supply of doctors is unlikely to decrease the price of health care. Doctor reimbursements are generally not set by the physician, they are imposed by Medicare/insurance. Also, with plenty of physicians in financial binds already due to malpractice costs and declining overall reimbursements (particularly primary care providers) you are unlikely to find a large number of people who want to be physicians who have been denied the opportunity unless you lower standards for admission or take a large number of foreign physicians.

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You & guids make good points about the malpractice insurance. There are solutions.

1. In my state, Ohio, Malpractice insurance is not required by law. Some doctors then hide their personal property in LLC's or Trusts and are virtually lawsuit proof. (not really a good solution imo)

2. Somehow stop letting juries award multimillion dollar judgements because they feel sorry for the plaintiff and their family, EVEN though there was NO malpractice. (I don't really like artificial caps on judgements, but it seems to be an interim solution)

This is a good point, EVERYONE wants to complain about how expensive health insurance is to purchase, but hardly anyone complains about how expensive malpractice insurance is.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:31 PM
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If people would get their priorities straight, and rather than buy crap they dont need, and use it for health care we wouldn't be debating this. IMO, denying people of means from health care (like they do in other countries) is the biggest [censored] crime in history. My solution would be to convince some of the big retail stores, to work out a deal with health care providers, basically they provide free health care for any of their employees in lieu of pay, dollar for dollar health care, it wouldnt be any more expensive if the govt provided tax breaks for the companies, and the rest of us who arent morons and get have their priorities straight dont have to worry about getting our hard earned dollars stolen from us.


oh ya, completely streamline teh system, make malpractice suits almost non-existent (tough, [censored] happens imo) unless it was REALLY negligent.

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How do you and others in the thread who are alarmed about health care being considered a human right and socialism propose to deal with health care for children without health insurance? Is it just tough luck for them, just as if they were adults?
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:33 PM
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If people would get their priorities straight, and rather than buy crap they dont need, and use it for health care we wouldn't be debating this. IMO, denying people of means from health care (like they do in other countries) is the biggest [censored] crime in history. My solution would be to convince some of the big retail stores, to work out a deal with health care providers, basically they provide free health care for any of their employees in lieu of pay, dollar for dollar health care, it wouldnt be any more expensive if the govt provided tax breaks for the companies, and the rest of us who arent morons and get have their priorities straight dont have to worry about getting our hard earned dollars stolen from us.


oh ya, completely streamline teh system, make malpractice suits almost non-existent (tough, [censored] happens imo) unless it was REALLY negligent.

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How do you and others in the thread who are alarmed about health care being considered a human right and socialism propose to deal with health care for children without health insurance? Is it just tough luck for them, just as if they were adults?

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Children can go to the ER at anytime and receive care. (Even for non Emergencies)

Children usually have parents, and their parents are responsible for their care.

Children that don't have parents are already covered. ADC I beleive covers them. Also I would like to see ALL government programs work from the bottom up, instead of the top down.

ie.. instead of pregnant unwed unemployed mothers getting care via the feds->county->community that it work in reverse community->county->feds

edit: Also currently children with dead parents get a social security check AND health care.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:36 PM
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If people would get their priorities straight, and rather than buy crap they dont need, and use it for health care we wouldn't be debating this. IMO, denying people of means from health care (like they do in other countries) is the biggest [censored] crime in history. My solution would be to convince some of the big retail stores, to work out a deal with health care providers, basically they provide free health care for any of their employees in lieu of pay, dollar for dollar health care, it wouldnt be any more expensive if the govt provided tax breaks for the companies, and the rest of us who arent morons and get have their priorities straight dont have to worry about getting our hard earned dollars stolen from us.


oh ya, completely streamline teh system, make malpractice suits almost non-existent (tough, [censored] happens imo) unless it was REALLY negligent.

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How do you and others in the thread who are alarmed about health care being considered a human right and socialism propose to deal with health care for children without health insurance? Is it just tough luck for them, just as if they were adults?

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I wouldnt mind a socialist healthcare for people under teh age of 18. What micheal moore wants is SOCIALISM, he is a socialist, socialism is for people not able to make decisions for themselves, and idiots, most kids fall into both categories, so Id have no problem with a socialist health care system for people under the age of 18, if their parents are not able to provide healthcare for them.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:01 PM
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Also, does anyone have any info on the quality of healthcare compared to other industrialized countries? And dont use Cuba as a response, that is a joke, Im talking Canada etc. Ive heard nothing but horror stories about long waits etc, and would like to know if it is true.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:06 PM
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All due respect, this is a really dumb opinion. One might say that the USA was built on the backs of African slaves, stolen from Native Americans, and layered over the corpses of immigrant laborers.

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Here we go again. The hate America crowd comes forward. Every country has taken over land, and fought for land, so get over it. Oh, and those, "corpses of immigrant laborers" CAME HERE VOLUNTARILY. Try picking up a history book.

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I never said that this was my opinion. I said that it was something that someone might say. I personally grind peasants underneath my boot heel just for the added dietary fiber.

Hint: Never take me too seriously.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:12 PM
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I dont see how healthcare is a basic human right. Taking from one group of people and giving to another is socialism. The USA was built on capitalism not socialism.

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All due respect, this is a really dumb opinion. One might say that the USA was built on the backs of African slaves, stolen from Native Americans, and layered over the corpses of immigrant laborers. Using reductio ad absurdum on your argument would leave us with a government that doesn't tax anyone for anything and does nothing. Hey, wait a minute...

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With all due respect, this is a dumb position, unless you dont know what capitalism means. If the US' foundation was Anarachy, than yes, you are correct. But it wasnt. And slaves/immigrants etc really have nothing to do with the conversation.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:42 PM
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You missed the hint? I thought there was some kind of non-subtle joke in there somewhere if you were paying attention.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:47 PM
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IE in Sweden someone making about $80k/yr is taxed 45%, max tax is 50%. Here it's 38%/38% at that level. Not *that* gigantic of a difference.

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7-12% sounds like a pretty big difference to me.
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