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Old 06-14-2007, 11:36 AM
jesse8888 jesse8888 is offline
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Default 4 hands from $25 NL/PL Session

Trying to master the art of 4-tabling (we all must start somewhere). These hands happened over the course of about 7 minutes and I'd like to know if and how I messed them up (or if I played well and it just wasn't my four hands).

No reliable reads on any villains.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP3 ($17.95)
CO ($17.50)
Hero ($39.45)
SB ($9.05)
BB ($18.80)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($36.10)</font>
UTG+1 ($24.90)
MP1 ($36.40)
MP2 ($26.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($5.10) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $3, MP2 folds, CO folds.

Turn: ($11.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $7.5</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $18.60

Hand 1:

A. Is calling preflop wrong? Should I have raised?
B. Postflop comments?



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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($14.15)
BB ($30.15)
UTG ($15.20)
UTG+1 ($9.40)
MP1 ($25.15)
MP2 ($17.20)
Hero ($24.10)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($13.40)</font>
Button ($19.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls $1.90.

Flop: ($6.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $10.4</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $21

Hand 2:

A. Is calling the preflop raise OOP too loose?
B. Postflop discussion? Should I have simply checked and folded, or was the bet a decent play?



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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($24.75)
BB ($9.05)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($24.60)</font>
UTG+1 ($27.50)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($23.10)</font>
MP2 ($6.45)
MP3 ($19)
CO ($17.50)
Button ($16.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

River: ($18.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: $18.35

Hand 3:

A. Any comments welcome.



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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($21.20)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($16)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($37.05)</font>
UTG ($14)
UTG+1 ($17.70)
MP1 ($42.35)
MP2 ($42.30)
CO ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18.5</font>, SB calls $2.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($35.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($35.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $35.75

Hand 4:

1. After the small blind raised me back, he had only $2.50 left and it was only 5.25 to me to call. I felt like I had to call. Is there any point I could have gotten away from this?
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:00 PM
Jaqrabbit Jaqrabbit is offline
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Default Re: 4 hands from $25 NL/PL Session

Hand 1:
A. I re-raise this preflop. If villain 4-bets it, I probably let it go.
B. With 5 players post flop, I don't think I bet this flop. The odds of someone having a king are high enough to worry me, and I'm looking for a cheap showdown. I fold to significant heat.

Hand 2:
A. You're getting this heads up, for 2.5:1 odds. I think I call this, looking for a set or a lot of low cards.
B. Check/fold is the way to go here, or possibly check and call a small-to-reasonable bet. You didn't hit your set, and the flop hit too much of villain's 3-bet range (AJ, AQ, TT+ all have you beat). Looks like top pair pricing out the flush draw, but top pair is still enough to beat you.

Hand 3:
A. Looks reasonable.

Hand 4:
A. I lead this flop with a pot sized bet. I'm not sure you can get away from this either, but would love to hear some opinions from more experienced players.
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:38 PM
KurtSF KurtSF is offline
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Default Re: 4 hands from $25 NL/PL Session

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1:

A. Is calling preflop wrong? Should I have raised?
B. Postflop comments?

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edit - misread the hand I re-raise this from the button.
Postflop is fine. Though if you're calling and not re-raising preflop it makes more sense to give up if you don't have a set or an overpair on the flop.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 2:

A. Is calling the preflop raise OOP too loose?
B. Postflop discussion? Should I have simply checked and folded, or was the bet a decent play?

[/ QUOTE ]

Any reads or stats on CO? You are calling $1.90 and playing for a set, so you need to win $15 to $19 to make it worth it. There's $4.50 in the pot and villain had $10.40 in his stack. Fold to the re-raise.

If you do call (not totally horrible, reads permitting) and miss, just check and fold... the only hand you're ahead of here is AK and his range is much larger than that. The $4 bet is just spew.

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 3:

A. Any comments welcome.

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No reads? I probably dump this after the flop raise. You're either facing a K (you're crushed) or a FD (marginally ahead). Not wanting to get sucked in I dump this while the pot is small.

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Hand 4:

1. After the small blind raised me back, he had only $2.50 left and it was only 5.25 to me to call. I felt like I had to call. Is there any point I could have gotten away from this?

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Tricky. I lead this flop. After you make it $8, you're right, you're tied to this hand against the shortstacked SB. And if SB is a donkey I don't fault you for getting it in. The problem as played is that once SB puts on the c/r 55 and KJ are reasonable hands for him to be holding (I'm not saying that's his range, Kx QT etc. are possible too), and I don't think I want go on with my planned c/r. I would call the $2.75 and see what comes back to me - if button folds and that turn card falls you are now behind 90% of SBs range and can c/f.

edit dunno if there's 20/20 hindsight in my analysis from seeing the turn, but keep it in mind
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