2 4bet shoves

Tony Montana 22 · #1 05-30-2007, 06:52 PM

Pretty standard? I am more often than not-not getting all in pre with AK...leak?

These two hands were within the space of 5 min of each other FWIW.

hand 1-villan 22/19/oo
he had just stacked me at another table within the last 10 min, so I am sure he thinks I could be steaming.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($106.05)
Button ($227.85)
SB ($57.85)
BB ($106)
UTG ($106.70)
MP ($108.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB raises to $17, Hero raises to $106.05

hand #2

MP is villan from hand #1and button has not been out of line that I could see-16/14/2

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Hero ($128.55)
BB ($220.40)
UTG ($55.85)
MP ($100)
CO ($105.20)
Button ($114.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $12, Hero raises to $129.05

Margin Of Error · #2 05-30-2007, 07:07 PM

I hate these, repop to like 35.

Imrahil · #3 05-30-2007, 07:10 PM

1st is fine but I'd probably 4bet the second hand to like $45.

Llama88 · #4 05-30-2007, 07:25 PM

repop to 45 and call a shove? and if some how he jsut calls are we shoving any flop? i dont get why we are repopping to 1/2 his stack if we are planning on calling a shove

Margin Of Error · #5 05-30-2007, 08:24 PM

Hand 2 especially, were betting $129 into a $17 pot with AKos? Why? What is accomplished by shoving that isnt also accomplished by making a standard sized 4-bet?

limon · #6 05-30-2007, 08:32 PM

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Pretty standard? I am more often than not-not getting all in pre with AK...leak?

These two hands were within the space of 5 min of each other FWIW.

hand 1-villan 22/19/oo
he had just stacked me at another table within the last 10 min, so I am sure he thinks I could be steaming.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($106.05)
Button ($227.85)
SB ($57.85)
BB ($106)
UTG ($106.70)
MP ($108.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB raises to $17, Hero raises to $106.05

hand #2

MP is villan from hand #1and button has not been out of line that I could see-16/14/2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($128.55)
BB ($220.40)
UTG ($55.85)
MP ($100)
CO ($105.20)
Button ($114.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Button raises to $12, Hero raises to $129.05

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unless you expect to get called w/ aq often these plays are ree-god-dam-dick-u-less

ArgusSpets · #7 05-30-2007, 09:26 PM

Hate it

luckybacon · #8 05-30-2007, 09:29 PM

i only like this if ur also pushing aa and kk preflop. what i like ALOOT more is just standard 4betting these hands. you cant play your hand so transparent

silenced · #9 05-30-2007, 10:57 PM

1st is pretty std if your doin the same with AA/KK, if your not then dont do this again. As for the second, 4bet to 45

Klompy · #10 05-30-2007, 11:16 PM

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1st is fine but I'd probably 4bet the second hand to like $45.

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I agree the first is ok, and I'm not a huge fan of the second, but what's better about bringing the second to 45 then pushing or calling?