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Old 11-14-2007, 07:45 AM
Delphi Delphi is offline
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Default Re: 2 interesting hands imho (nl200)

I don't like the hands. In the first one your building the pot for someone with KQ or K9 and your flushouts probably aren't good as well (though you might get a better FD to fold)

Hand 2 is horrible. Fold pre, check-fold flop, check-call turn (if he bets weak enough). If you really want to play back, 3-bet preflop.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: 2 interesting hands imho (nl200)

mk, I don't really like either hand, but okay.
I could see a move in hand 1 - c/r the flop or the turn. You have a monster draw. They MIGHT fold if you nail them. Personally, I c/r the flop for all of it (or enough to make it painfully obvious that I want all of their monies in the middle right then. If they keep a little back here, I open shove pretty much any turn.

Hand 2, call pre is meh. Don't do it often as it would be a leak. c/f flops that don't nail your hand hard.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM
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Default Re: 2 interesting hands imho (nl200)

Hand 1 I think I c/c flop a lot.

Hand 2 is actually quite good.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:29 AM
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Hand 2 is actually quite good.

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uhm, no
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: 2 interesting hands imho (nl200)

I have to admit I misread villains preflop stats, which is actually quite important.

In general, preflop isn't bad, as long as you're willing to make plays on good flops to compensate for the -EV preflop move. With villains stats it gets worse, so that should make it a fold.

Though even with those stats, villain probably has a K or better here like 25%, 30% max.
Villain could very wel be calling flop with KQ, TT+ type of hands, which fold a lot to the 2nd barrel. We have quite some equity against those hands as well.

It's better against a looser opponent, but it's definately not horrible here.
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:05 AM
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minSim, alright. in hand 2, what is villain's range in your opinion? he bet/called the flop.
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:06 AM
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he raises 6% of his hands and has an AF of a whole 1.
I'd be terrified to play anything except AK and sets against this guy.
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:22 AM
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Hand and number of combo's (we have an ace):
AA 3
KK 3
AK 9
KQ 12
QQ 6
JJ 6
TT 6

I think villain folds 24 combos (KQ,QQ,JJ), raises/calls 21 combos (AA,KK,AK,TT).
We bet less then pot, so we don't have to win 50%, we still have equity against villains range.

Maybe he doesn't fold KQ.
If he ever shows up with 99, 88 we go up, if he can have KT, K7, K3 here we go down.
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