200NL 6m: Dammit that wasn't meant to happen

Jamougha · #1 05-25-2006, 05:35 PM

Villain has been at the table 20 hands, my only read is that he seems a typical 200NL idiot. Turn card leaves me with a decision. Simple question, call or fold? And why? Any comments welcome.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $200
UTG+1: $510.35
CO: $112.40
Hero: $262
SB: $208.40
BB: $91

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $11, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, CO folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($37, 3 players)
SB bets $10, UTG folds, Hero raises to $46, SB calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($129, 2 players)
SB is all-in $151.4...

Khaos4k · #2 05-25-2006, 05:41 PM

He doesn't seem to be scared at all of that overcard. With the ten kicker I don't call this.

If I have AK it gets a lot more interesting, but I probably still find a fold. I just don't see what we're beating here.

AZplaya · #3 05-25-2006, 05:41 PM

I think you should fold. You showed strength pre flop, and on the flop, an Villian is telling you he doesn't care. If you had more hands with Villian this might be a call because you would have established your image. However, with only 20 hands, I don't think Villian knows how aggro you are OTB, and probably gives you credit for a big hand, and is still pushing. Fold, IMO.

keikiwai · #4 05-25-2006, 05:42 PM

I think I agree w/ khaos... although I'm not sure what villain has here...

also, is UTG and CO at like 90% vpip... why the pf iso-raise?

Jamougha · #5 05-25-2006, 05:49 PM

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although I'm not sure what villain has here...

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Thoughts on what villain has would be good.

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why the pf iso-raise?

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I raise a lot of hands here to try to steal the pot and to discourage people from limping when I have the button.

Tilt · #6 05-25-2006, 05:49 PM

He has a set or KQ, some chance of 56 or AK. I'll be pissed when he shows me QT, but this would be a crazy call IMO.

DeadlyGambit · #7 05-25-2006, 05:50 PM

I think this is a definite fold. IMO, the only hand villian could possibly have that your ahead of is AcQc, but I'm surely not going to risk my entire stack with just TPWK to find out.

keikiwai · #8 05-25-2006, 05:52 PM

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to discourage people from limping when I have the button.

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Why is it bad if people limp and you're on the button? Isn't that ideal? Would you like them to tighten up and fold instead of limping? I thought loose limpers are where your money was coming from... (and I don't mean by stealing 1 BB from each w/ a raise)

BukNaked36 · #9 05-25-2006, 05:55 PM

The boards not that scary, what's he pushing for? Turn push always looks desperate to me.
Turn C/R would look strong.

Have you been bullying the table? He's either got something or has picked this hand to stand up to you.

Without a read on him on which it is, I think I have to let this go.

Jamougha · #10 05-25-2006, 05:57 PM

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Why is it bad if people limp and you're on the button?

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Because I make about 70PTBB/100 when stealing from the button and play 40%+ of the hands I'm dealt. More people = less dead money. If I were playing tight there I'd want loose callers I guess.

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(and I don't mean by stealing 1 BB from each w/ a raise)

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I'm delighted to steal 1BB from them, taking the pot down is probably greater than your EV when they call. Definitely much better than your EV limping this hand.