Underage players at the table

bav · #1 03-10-2006, 01:29 AM

What happens when an underage player is found at a table? In particular, what would happen if they got carded and discovered during a hand?

Why this came up...
After bouncing out of the noon tourney (AAvAJ and QQv99 both all-in pre-flop were no good) I sat at NL1/2 and found about 4 very young faces. Must be spring break time.

So we're messing with the squirt on my right just a bit. He asks the person on his right what he does for a living and the guy replies "I'm an arms dealer". Kid pauses and says "are you REALLY?" There is much laughter. I suggest "I think this boy may be bluffable." That seems to irk him a little and he has a "bring it on" sort of remark. I tell him I'm not worried; that if I'm in a big pot with him and lose, I'll call the floor over to check his ID before letting the dealer push him the pot. He looked a LITTLE worried about that prospect.

I wasn't being serious, obviously, but now I'm suddenly wondering. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Boo Boo · #2 03-10-2006, 01:38 AM

One of the best posts I've read today [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

somapopper · #3 03-10-2006, 01:44 AM

I've heard of this being done before. Not a big friend maker, that one.

Packard · #4 03-10-2006, 04:09 AM

It could definately be uncool to have underage players because if the bad beat jackpot gets hit by one of them the casino can void the jackpot if somebody is found to be underage.

undathesea · #5 03-10-2006, 10:09 AM

Same thing sort of happened to me over the weekend. I was
in seat 10 and was joking around with three players in seats
5,6,7 (right across from me) that if I lost a big hand to
them, I would call the floor to have their IDs checked.

I was obviously joking, like the OP was, but then one of
them mumbled under his breath something to the effect of,
"you'd better not, that would definitely not be cool"
indicating to me that he was most likely underage... he
looked all of 15.

I never had to... we only tangled once. We got into one
hand where I stacked him with a set of Qs against his pocket
As on the flop... all the money went in right there. The
turn was the case Q and it was over. So, I never had to
call the floor... but I really think that if he would have
stacked me on a bad play by me, I would have had the floor
come over to check his ID.

Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

Spota · #6 03-10-2006, 10:16 AM

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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Because you didnt lose the pot because he was underage. If you dont have a problem winning his money, you shouldnt have problem losing money to him. It's a 2 way street.

If you have an issue with his age, then call the floor. If not, play on.

Jeffage · #7 03-10-2006, 10:30 AM

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing something illegal and taking my money at the same time...why should I feel bad?

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Because you would be an angle shooting prick if you did this. If you TRULY have a problem with him playing underage, talk to the floor discretely and get him tossed (which I would never do, but to each his own). If you accept his action by playing a pot with him, you accept the results win or lose - trying to win a pot you're not entitled to is simply angleshooting. Plus, you will not be getting that money, I guarantee you that.

Let security do their job, you just play poker.

Jeff

undathesea · #8 03-10-2006, 10:42 AM

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Plus, you will not be getting that money, I guarantee you that.

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Jeff, I think you misread the post... while he's TAKING my
money. He's already stacked me and I lost my money... how
is it angleshoot if I have him tossed after he's got my
money? No need to call me an angleshooting prick here.

It is a d1ck move to have someone tossed after they take
your money... but if he's underage anyways... now I have a
reason. I have never done it... and I have played with many
kids I suspect are underage... but I could see me getting
really upset that an underage kid took all of my money on a
bad beat... he taunts me just enough... and I call the floor
over to check his ID.

bav · #9 03-10-2006, 01:28 PM

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Sure, it's d1ck move, but an underage gambler is doing
something illegal and taking my money at the same time...
why should I feel bad?

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Using this to try to welsh on a bet (I ask forgiveness of the PC police for use of the term) would be supremely uncool. My question was posed as a generic intellectual exercise--what happens to the money that's there if suddenly it turns out one participant is <21?

I was thinking about underage gamblers a bit 'cause I'd just read a couple threads on here about 19yo's coming to Vegas and having no trouble sitting for hour after hour at tables. In one thread the play was at Mirage, one at Tropicana. So it's apparently pretty easy to do.

After my playful comment to the squirt to my right about calling the floor on him, the youngin' across from me said he was playing BJ the day prior and was getting "the evil eye" from a floorman the whole time. But the guy waited until he was up $600 to come over and demand ID. "So what--you woulda been ok with me playing BJ underage if I lost, but because I'm up $600 you're gonna come check?"

I see fairly few ID checks in poker rooms. Some floor people check all the time, some seem never to check. I think the waitresses do a better job checking for ID than the brushes and floors.

gilbert · #10 03-10-2006, 01:41 PM

i think it's pretty common knowledge that the poker rooms (in las vegas, at least) don't really check for ID.

it's also pretty well known that underage people shouldn't play pit games for the sole purpose of goign on a really hot run and taking some of the casino's money and then getting carded.

i don't think the casino's really care at all about the underage gambling but the underage drinking is more of a big deal. the first time i went to vegas almost a couple of years ago i was 18 and stayed at the san remo and played blackjack and craps there everyday. i would never get carded when buying chips but everytime i wanted some booze the waitress would card me.

also, at bellagio when i play poker i never get carded by a floorman or whoever, but the cocktail waitress usually always ask for ID.