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Old 11-26-2007, 10:00 PM
Landonfan Landonfan is offline
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Default 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

My question's on the second hand, first is just for history (but comment if you like). I usually play raise/fold on the button, but I'm trying out limping. I've been watching a lot of the successful high stakes guys (livb, toddytilt, and nordberg, mostly), and they seem to limp a lot, so I figured I'd give it a shot.

Hand #1

Blinds 15/30

Villain limps. I check T9o in the BB.

Flop comes QJ3 rainbow. I bet 40. He calls.

Turn is an 8, completing my straight. I bet 130, he thinks a bit and folds.


Hand #2

I limp J2o. Villain checks.

Flop is 34J rainbow. Villain pots for 60, I call.

Turn comes another J. Villain pots again for 180, I call.

River is a 9. Villain leads for 300, I call.


Anyone raise anywhere in hand #2?
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

I think I play the second hand the same. But, if you held something like T2o and flopped top pair, I would suggest raising the flop.
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.


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But, if you held something like T2o and flopped top pair, I would suggest raising the flop.


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I'm new here. Why?
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

Doyle's hand ldo.

Seriously, though, that got me too. I'm not too sure I understand how T2 is that different.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:48 AM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

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Doyle's hand ldo.

Seriously, though, that got me too. I'm not too sure I understand how T2 is that different.

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dude, a jack is a face card
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:30 AM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

1st hand i bet less on the turn, since he just called the flop he is not likely to have a strong hand and 8 is almost never improving his hand. i think he is more likely to call half pottish bet.

2nd hand i play the same except pf
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

Hand 1:
Bet less on the turn, you are almost potting it. You have a super strong hand here, milk him some more for value.

Hand 2:
I would play this exactly like you do here post flop (I fold it PF though). Against an unknown villain I would be fine with just winning what's in the pot now while also getting a look at villains holdings, rather than raise and most likely not get anymore value out of it, or being put all-in, knowing there is a good chance you might be outkicked, especially with the low 3 and 4 on the flop (meaning a split is not very likely).

Curious to hear if anyone raise at any point here though.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

I would probably call on the river as well, but...
assuming there was no obvious flush draw, would the villain really pot the turn with trips? The bet on the river seems strong, but on my aggressive days, I might min-raise on the river for value.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

Bet less on the turn on hand one. If he's raising a Q on the flop then you're not getting called on the turn.

Don't raise the turn or river after just calling the flop in hand one. I can see raising the turn with metagame but theres obv none of that here. And min raising the river is terrible- do you then fold to a push getting 5 to 1?
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: 11 NLTRN - First two hands, fairly simple.

Well, I'm not sure it's correct, but here's my reasoning about raising T2o on a similar flop:

When I read the original hand, I was thinking about what situations would be a raise on this flop. I felt like overcards could make our hand very difficult to play. I mean if we call and an overcard hits on the turn, and our opponent leads again, do we fold? I know when an overcard hits on the turn is a spot where a lot of players double barrel. Now if we call his turn bet, what if another overcard hits on the river? Now I know we're not supposed to be that worried about overcards (since we're playing HU), but it could make our hand annoying to play.

Now I don't think we need to worry too much about overcards with a jack. but what if we held 82o and we had top pair? Would that be a raise? I figured it probably would be. But, at some point it changes from a raise to a call. 92o I think I'd raise. T2o? Well I wasn't really sure, but I think that one I'd raise and J2o I'd call.

Anyways, even if that's not the right way to think about it, that's an explanation of why I suggested raising T2o.
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