Trying Hubbles...

[black666]

Basically all that levAA said.

PF is fine as we are pretty deep and have position (somtimes I call, sometimes I fold).
Flop and turn are also fine because we have a strong hand and want to get value and / or protect it.

As for the river: which hand villain will call with that made it this far? We raised the flop, bet the turn and now bet the river. We clearly can beat top pair.

I would put villain on KQ (maybe clubs) or a J. Every busted draw folds to a river bet. So does a weak J (QJ, KJ). 2 pair, set and straight call or CRAI.

[ssnyc]

first off fold pre...why is everyone limping J 10 off all of a sudden...did I miss a memo or something?

as played a river bet is fine...if he shoves then you have a problem as QK is right in his range

[quirkasaurus]

fold preflop JTo to no raises ?!?!

you must've missed a memo...

this used to be regarded the best starting
holdem hand for its high straight and
relatively high pairing possibilities.

[ssnyc]

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fold preflop JTo to no raises ?!?!

you must've missed a memo...

this used to be regarded the best starting
holdem hand for its high straight and
relatively high pairing possibilities.

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now I'm truly confused...serious or not? I need remedial help I think!!! lol

[quirkasaurus]

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fold preflop JTo to no raises ?!?!

you must've missed a memo...

this used to be regarded the best starting
holdem hand for its high straight and
relatively high pairing possibilities.

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now I'm truly confused...serious or not? I need remedial help I think!!! lol

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well, personally, i don't play it like it's the nuts...
but there's no way i fold it preflop in an unraised pot.

in fact, i'm likely to believe i'm way ahead and raise.

[black666]

You can limp or fold JTo here. The thing with limping is that you have to be careful. It's pretty easy to flop the second best hand. But once you hit 2 pair or a straight on a AKQ board, chances are that you get paid off.

If you are new to the game, fold JT. If you feel that there are only good players at the table, fold JT.
If I'm playing against a table full of donks, I limp JT all day here because I want to play as many pots against them as possible.

Also, with those type of hands you actually learn to play postflop and to put villain on a range of hands.

[TheFoxNL]

yeah i can agree with aruguments of folding TJo PF

but as the situation was that my Flop play was better then anybody on this table (as far as ive seen)
also i was getting enough respect from the table so far

so thats enough reason for me to limp along
+ i was deep enough

[MJBuddy]

Raise pre. Biggest(only) leak of the hand.

[TheFoxNL]

i wouldnt call it a leak.. as its not a bad thing to limp along
if my post flop play sucked balls then i would raise
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[MJBuddy]

You don't need to play post if you can take it down pre. You don't need to make a suspicious value bet on the river if you naturally have to jam due to stack sizes.