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Old 11-14-2007, 07:49 PM
WinWeber WinWeber is offline
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

On a J,10,3 rainbow flop, if i lead and he shoves, what am i beating?
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

who is shoving , button or LAG??
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:51 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

4-bet. Don't shove. You're too deep to mess around here and a call shows alot of strength too.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

either of them, if i lead can i call a shove from either of them? do i call a shove from the button preflop if i reraise? is it too weak to the call preflop, see the j,10,3 flop and fold to a bet and a raise from the button?
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:06 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

Make it $480 pre-flop.

If called lead any flop for $500 into the $960 pot, incl K high so that we get him to stack off with AK (he could get away from AK if you C/R).

Fold to a flop shove on a Q high flop.

Puke to a shove on a J high flop.

Call a shove on any other flop.

On an A high flop I'm not sure, I don't think he bluffs w JJ/QQ, as he expects AA/AK to be a large part of you're re-raising range and if you did flop AAA, he may expect you to slowplay, and so I would probably check.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:07 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

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is it too weak to the call preflop, see the j,10,3 flop and fold to a bet and a raise from the button?

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That's obviously what you did - lol
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:09 AM
WinWeber WinWeber is offline
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Default Re: KK in the sb vs. two raises

yes it is what i did. My thought behind it.... Were deepstacked and im out of position with kk a raise and a reraise in front of me. If i call at least i can keep the lag in the pot. The button (my friend) should know my cold call from the sb should mean a monster, so hopefully my hand isn't as transparent to the lag as to my friend. If i reraise the lag more than likely folds and the button only stays in with aa. If the button comes back over the top I'm still wondering if you think i stack off with KK pf. I don't like it at all. So instead i call, see the flop of j,10,3 check. The LAG leads for 400 and the button shoves for 1800 which i obviously can't call. The only hand i thought i could be beating was QQ and that was stretch. Any thoughts of other hands i would be beating than QQ?
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