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Old 12-01-2007, 08:35 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL - KK fold the flop

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My main question was how i could get the information i needed as cheaply as possible, and leading on the flop probably would have been wise. The villain is a tight mouse by his stats, and my observation. I put him on Queens Or Aces or AK.

I reraised to find out which it was. And it was queens as he showed.

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First of all, that range is way too tight, even for someone with those stats. Second of all, raising for information is bad, raising for info in a 3 bet pot is terrible.

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You argue the reraise preflop was small, but according to my read on the guy it was big enough. He wouldnt have called it, with anything but a very strong hand.

And i wanted some action! The remaining players where not the type to cold call a bet like that, unless it was really multiway.

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Stop thinking this way. You dont want to raise small to keep everyone in, your hand is not good multiway. You want to play this heads up. Also, if he has a big hand, hes coming along either way. However, a bigger raise offers him smaller implied odds and in turn makes it incorrect for him to call. Thats how you make money in poker, by having the opponent make more mistakes than you. By raising small youre making a mistake, not the villain.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:51 PM
Waingro Waingro is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL - KK fold the flop

I think you are obsessing way to much about finding out where you are at. First of all, pf you have very very profitable situation. The pot is already big and several opponents have indicated they have some sort of hand that they might call a rr with. Rr bigger to $8.5. If they fold speculative hands like 22 or 67s, that they donīt intend to put any money in with post flop unless they flop big, that is ok.

On the flop, in this sized pot and with a hand as good as KK, ask yourself, are there any legitamate hands villains might call with? Obvious answer is hands like KQ, AQ. How do you extract from those hands? You bet. If villain happens to have a better hand than yours, tough break. The awesome check/miniraise from the pf re-raiser is not going to extract more than the minimum from those hands, whereas if you bet out villain might overplay his top pair and raise.

Your job at the table in this spot is not to find out if you are beat, it is getting the most possible value out of a realistic range for villain. To make every effort that the money that goes into the pot goes in good. Also if you think villains range for betting the flop is QQ, AA, AK (lol) raising seems like a really bad idea.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL - KK fold the flop

others have commented on the rest of the play, just to note that i am folding getting 2:1 after we get 3bet.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL - KK fold the flop

$8 - 9 pf please

dont like flop c/r
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