AP thread 872.6 - Statement ITT

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a simple EV calculation says to keep playing on AP after this

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"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

[adanthar]

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ok i lied. guys, if this has already been addessed please just link me or something, but am i missing something obvious here? canadian legal system. costa rican legal system. INTERPOL. not one of these are viable options? adanthar you're a lawyer- could you let me know about this? sorry if i'm cluttering, but at least it's not ike and someone having the same argument 50 million times over.

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I think this has already been said 16 times or so, but again, Nat and I do not have a monopoly on the AP story and know as much about the Costa Rican police as you do. So, if you feel that way, why don't you go ahead and do it yourself?

[adanthar]

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a simple EV calculation says to keep playing on AP after this

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"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

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pfft, been done

[El Diablo]

All,

Are there links anywhere to all the different versions of the story from the Absolute statements?

[Adam Selene]

Posted here: http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...ker/Rogue.html

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this consultant devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems to <u>access third-party computers and accounts to view hole cards of other customers during play</u> without their knowledge.

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Absolute Poker just admits here that there were "third-party computers and accounts" able to "view hole cards of other customers during play". They did not claim this "high-ranking" employee created the system to view hole cards, only that he "manipulate[d] internal systems to access" such systems.

That is completely inexcusable. There is <u>no legitimate purpose</u> even for the most sophisticated security, fraud and collusion detection systems, to have access to hole cards in play. Everything that needs to be done, can be done, the second the hand has completed.

There are two other plausible explanations that makes sense in context of absolute poker's statement, but both would a be a scandal of equal or greater proportions themselves. 1) that the AP poker client takes screenshots of player's computers and sends those back to AP or 2) the AP poker client provides concurrent remote access (view desktop) to the player's computer to AP upon demand.

Note, some programs do take screenshots to detect robot play and other cheats (World of Warcraft uses such). However, these rely on pattern recognition, the patterns sent to the client -- the screenshots never leave the client computer.

[Cruzincat]

At what levels of tables does the limit make that much difference as far as the rake is concerned? In other words, if there is a max amount of rake on the tables, does a 150/300 table pay more rake per hand than a 15/30 table on average? What I am getting at is, how much does AP really lose if the bulk of the high limit play moves from those higher limits down to where the total rake is the same? I am sure the player accounts have less money and, if they are making use of the deposits to gain daily interest in the money markets, they are losing money there.

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Oh yeah that isn't meant to be personal or anything, just that the same logic that is going to bring you back is the same logic that AP uses to avoid giving us the truth on this issue as much as possible.

We need to keep the heat on them. Unfortunately, if Nat and Serge are getting too busy and this is taking up too much of their time, we'd have to find people equally as intelligent, dedicated, diligent, trustworthy, and connected. Tough spot.

[Tropical_Fish]

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Who was the previous CFO for Absolute?

[Mark Ortega]

Reminds me of when Clark Griswald tried beating the games at that one casino like Rock Paper Scissors and Pick a Number

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Also, AJ was NOT a consultant. Maybe it was his technical title, but it was not the reality of the situation. That's an AP attempt to distance themselves. Make no mistake about it, AJ was running daily operations at AP. Those releases you saw earlier were sent out/approved by AJ from what I'm told.

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Any [censored] 2p2'er who gives AP OR UB business can suck my [censored] dick.

We can never let up on these bitches.

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the fact that 2+2ers never play on AP would only attract 2+2ers to play on AP (over the long run). Just the truth.

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ikestoys,

imo given the amount of time nat, adanthar, josem and all the other spend blowing this case and getting you your money back, the least you can do out of respect is not go back to the [censored] site

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Ass, I didn't say I was going back, but the statement above is true. I know of at least 2 2+2ers that will be heading back to AP/still playing at AP. Soft games attract sharks, period.

Also, your logic is FOS... but mob rule on.

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his statements makes enough sense. ppl put a ton of time and effort into you getting your money back. they would prefer that you behave in a certain way. by no means are you bound to act as they please but yes it is absolutely an issue of respect.

also, the reason not to go back, from a strictly selfish pov, is that no matter how soft the games, you can never gaurantee that they are straight. if anything is learned from this situation, from ap's perspective, its that they need to cheat better.

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[N 82 50 24]

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Also, I need to say something else here...

My life's work cannot be devoted to pro-bono work outing AP and UB scandals. I've put a number of important business deals of my own on the backburner this past week. I did not do any of this scandal-related work for money, but, in the end, I am involved in poker to make money. I did all of this because I thought it was the right thing to do and would benefit poker in the long-term. I guess that's kinda self-interest depending on which angle you look at it from.

I have a bunch of businesses that I either run, co-own or am somehow involved in that make me a relatively significant amount. I've pissed off a number of my business partners with conversations such as the following:

Them: "Hey Nat, how's [such as such] progressing?"
Me: "Can't talk, later"
Them: "WTF, I thought we had a deal that you'd do X and Y?"
Me: "Sorry, AP stuff, can't talk, in convo"

I'm not going to continue to do that forever. At some point, I'll return to my other businesses. Unless someone wants to pay me to be a security consultant, I simply have to move back to what I do on a day-to-day basis.

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This is all perfectly understandable, and an I'm sure you're aware of how grateful everyone is that you and others took so much time out of your lives to help uncover the details of this scandal. It really is appreciated by everyone at this forum I am sure.

Can I ask though, when we were all anticipating this press release I believe you indicated that if it didn't match up with your understanding of how events unfolded that you would release some facts that you had previously held back. Is this still the plan?

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Yes, if AP had tried to go ahead with the "geek trying to prove a point" line I would have released a ton of dirt as well as the full and true story. I made sure, through some subtle releases of info to people there and people around them, that I knew that this story was not true. I thought it would be a big mistake to use that line of defense.

But actually, the story they're telling lines up with what I have been told privately. While the release is not detailed, I think more details will be forthcoming and a lot of details are being held back because of issues I described earlier.