NL 200 | Open Ended SF Draw 225 deep

[loveminuszero]

bump for my Q

[orange]

call, check most any river.

[2Paul2]

I'd usually check turn. Sucks to get raised and if he's been floating you alot then take advantage of it. Giving free cards isnt exactly a problem here.

As played I'd call an go from there. There just arent enough better hands you can make fold to shove and your certainlly not getting called by worse.

Paul

[HiBaCHi]

most of the time i'm calling here and checking the river. the thing is if he's bluffing enough to make that big of a shove profitable it's probably going to be more profitable to call and play poker but it definitely puts you in some [censored] spots.

the reasons for shoving would be since he is a loose player probably [censored] w/ you too much, if a shove shows a profit it also has the added bonus of getting him to stop [censored] w/ you or take it personal and start spewing chips to you.

[auto111032]

You have at least 40% equity here. You need him to fold to a push only 1/7 times to make the move +EV.

Poosh. Standard.

Edit: Tremendous showdown value here, too.

[tuckercat]

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You have at least 40% equity here. You need him to fold to a push only 1/7 times to make the move +EV.

Poosh. Standard.

Edit: Tremendous showdown value here, too.

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no. show down value only if you hit draw. since it's backdoor, good chance you cash in on river anyway if heart comes. push is non standard, infact it's hyper aggro and -EV in this spot. remember you are beat on the turn almost always here = no showdown value. -EV push.

[HiBaCHi]

did not see flush draw. shove it crucial.

[pdoran10]

i think both are fine, but given that ive shown down that i can poosh big draws i lean towards calling here and checking if i miss obv.

[luckybacon]

i think u should expect any good lag to raise this turn especially deep. i probably push and would expect a fold more than most expect

[loveminuszero]

but why push when your outs are so disguised (except the Jack) and you only have one pair right now?