3/6 A5s, Lots of Room for Debate

[bernie]

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Allday: I mean in this one, very specific scenario. Taking into account all the information we have in the hand, both on our opponents and on our own image.


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Your opponents suck and are likely to call with worse hands.

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CO: Folds preflop, but affects the preflop decision. I haven't seen him before, but so far he's looked tight passive. He's coldcalled an EP raise by me with 99 & coldcalled from the SB in that AA hand with JJ (he's the one I wound up at showdown with).

Button: A known loose/passive, 30/6/1 over 500+. He'll bet his hands when he's got them & doesn't get too tricky. He also starts the hand with just under 3 BBs.

SB: An absolutely horrible LAG that I beat up on & eventually busted a little earlier in the night on a 6max table. He's perfectly capable of betting every street with a draw or any pair, and capable of reraising a HU pot with the same range (although he stopped doing that against me towards the end of the 6max session--we haven't tangled yet at this table). When I say "draw" I also mean ace high, though he'll usually raise preflop with that.

BB: A known tight/passive over a large sample

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CO is tight(probable fold),

button is an idiot(beat most of his hands if he calls)

SB (Lag that you'd have position on)

BB Tight Passive that'd probably fold, but if he comes in, you have position also with a lag to catch him in between with.

Raise it.

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[Harv72b]

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Your opponents suck and are likely to call with worse hands.

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True, but at least two of them are also likely to call with better hands, which combined with my position relative them makes it very difficult for me to play good FTOP poker with this hand postflop. That's still a concern when I limp & they limp behind, but with the smaller pot I will less often be getting odds to chase what may not be live outs, and of course if either of them raises then I have a much better idea of where I stand.

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CO is tight(probable fold)

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CO appears tight, but over a sample of only 20-some hands. I'm confident that he plays passively based on having seen two of his coldcalling hands over that span.

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button is an idiot(beat most of his hands if he calls)

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Loose/passive & relatively easy to play against, yes, but not a complete idiot. And I'm not sure that I'd be ahead of most of his coldcalling range, only that I'd be ahead of at least some of it (which again, makes it more difficult to play against him with a hand like A5s OOP).

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SB (Lag that you'd have position on)

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True dat, but that's true whether I raise or limp.

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BB Tight Passive that'd probably fold, but if he comes in, you have position also with a lag to catch him in between with.

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Also true, but also true whether I raise or limp (well, he's obviously not folding if I limp, but you get my gist). Regardless of how I get into the hand, and even more accurately if I limp & catch my ace, I can key off his initial flop action in determining where I stand vs. his hand.