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[THAY3R]

They will still get Johan if he wants to be a Yankee. No point in trading 5+ years of Hughes for 1 year of Santana.

[HoyaSaxa123]

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If the Yankees trade Hughes or Joba for Santana I will stop being a fan.

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Why? (Assuming Santana is signed long-term.)

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Because it's a stupid move. Both guys could turn out to have Santana-like dominance, and for a fraction of the price.

As for Pettitte, I said I could take him or leave him. I suspect he is coming back - he is good for pitching a lot of innings, a quality that's somewhat undervalued.

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Or both guys could turn out to be duds (we dont know how Joba will handle being a starter) wheres Santana has proven himself under pressure and is in his prime. And money shouldnt even be an argument here, the market for starting pitchers is way overinflated, so when it comes time to resign them even if they dont live up to expectiations you will likely be overpaying them.

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my head just exploded. how can you be overpaying them if that's the price set by the market? not everyone can be overpaying every pitcher past the age of 26 - that's a contradiction in terms.

as for letting a-rod walk - uh this lineup doesn't look all that good like this:

damon
jeter
abreu
matsui
posada
cano
betemit
1B (invariably some [censored]-hitting 1B)
cabrera

there's not that much power in that lineup. lot of guys who can hit 20 home runs but not many who can hit 30.

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That lineup looks like one of the best in the AL, and if the extra money is spent on pitching (I am thinking of options now, it will be more than fine.

Give me a few lineups in the MLB that are better than the one you just said.

[Triumph36]

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the Yankees had 76 more real runs and 50 more imaginary equivalent runs than anyone else in the majors, they will be an elite offense with a decent 3b.

Arod money would be much better spent on Johan.

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Factor in Posada's inevitable return to reality, and the 80 runs of VORP the Yankees would be losing with A-Rod, and the VORP drop with Damon playing all the time in left instead of Matsui, and the decline of nearly every other hitter not named Cabrera or Cano - yeah, somehow I don't think it is enough.

[Karak567]

here's a (probably ridiculous) thought:

it seems santana will only waive his NTC if he gets a nice extension... this the yankees can offer

trade wang for santana, straight up, and sign santana to an extension or something

the yanks get santana for many years to come and the twins get a good, top pitcher for a few years for rather cheap

that said, i like wang and don't really want this to happen... but i wouldnt be shocked if it did

[HoyaSaxa123]

What would Wang's ERA be pitching 15-20 times a year on turf?

[AbreuTime]

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They will still get Johan if he wants to be a Yankee. No point in trading 5+ years of Hughes for 1 year of Santana.

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That's really big "If". If he is traded by Minnesota, it would likely be to a team that is willing to resign him. Right?

Also, while I'm not talking about Joba or Hughes specifically, people (fans/GMs) tend to have an overinflated view of a young pitcher's worth. Look at this discussion above. People are debating whether Johan freeekin Santana, perennial Cy Young quality pitcher in his prime, is enough value in return for a young pitcher. This YOUNG STUD HAS A CEILING THAT IS... SANTANA! I'm thinking back to all the young can't miss prospects who's value has plummeted due to injury and general ineffectiveness (off the top of my head... Wood, Prior, Penny, Clement, Harden, hell- Ed Yarnall) and wondering what people think about those prospects now. When it comes to prospects, you just don't know who will work out.

And salary is a factor, but not enough of a factor to a team with the budget of NY. To land the premier SP in the league (having a clean injury history and is 28) is obviously tremendously valuable to a team that makes the playoffs every year and needs a stud to win in a short series. Banking on a prospect to become that star is a gamble, while Santana is as close to a sure thing as you can get.

http://www.waswatching.com/archives/...back_at_1.html

[AbreuTime]

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here's a (probably ridiculous) thought:

trade wang for santana, straight up, and sign santana to an extension or something


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There may be riots in Minnesota if this trade happened. Pure speculation, of course.

[HoyaSaxa123]

Agree with your whole post Abreu.

[kyleb]

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blunty, leave the baseball analysis to people who have a clue.

James

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What part of my analysis do you think is off?

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Just the first part:

1. Trade Hughes for Santana (I think Kennedy's a better pitcher anyway),

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[blunty31]

Based on the games Ive watched them both pitch this year, Kennedy was the better pitcher both by the numbers and by the way they looked. Thats not 2 say Hughes doesnt have more potential, but potential isnt always lived up too.