|
|
#31
10-08-2007, 07:08 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
and to everyone saying cr turn ai - that is certainly kind of standard and something i was considering when i saw the turn card, but his bet size made me rethink - even with the benefit of hindsight i think ck call is better - would be happy to listen to an argument otherwise, but i just feel like he's not bet folding the turn unless he has air - which means i should call pretty much any river (?) - again happy to hear counterarguments cause i can certainly be missing something. [/ QUOTE ] pretty close i agree on the only thing he's bet/folding on turn is air, so there's really not that much reason to shove unless you think he suddenly potted turn with air that picked up a lot of equity on the turn (tho obv you'd still be miiiiles ahead) i prob call river, but 70 hands is pretty tough to feel good about making a thin call like this so its def understandable to 2nd guess it. i really feel like if youre beat here, it's by QJ. 
|
|
#32
10-08-2007, 07:11 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
a turn cr allin seems pretty bad against this guy. the only benefits are if he's bet/folding A3/KQ (seems retarded and unlikely) or happens to have exactly 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]/straightflush draw and will call it off (and not bluff the river if he misses) c/c turn + c/c all rivers gotta be better than turn cr allin [/ QUOTE ] i agree with donkey.. people like c/r just bc it avoids a tough decision (river payoff or not) but it doesnt really accomplish anything more then c/c c/c would. although there is likely SOME thin FE on the turn (like if villain DOES b/f KQ)
|
|
#34
10-08-2007, 07:13 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
id check shove turn. it makes the hand really easy to play and is NEVER a big mistake given our hand/equity if behind/metagame etc. [/ QUOTE ] obv this is correct, but would you agree it's lazy and costing you (even if it's minimal) money?
|
|
#36
10-08-2007, 07:18 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
id check shove turn. it makes the hand really easy to play and is NEVER a big mistake given our hand/equity if behind/metagame etc. [/ QUOTE ] that's a really bad reason to check/shove.
|
|
#37
10-08-2007, 07:21 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
costing us money how? being OOP on any river will be a tough spot. [/ QUOTE ] costing us money by making a less +EV play. what does the fact that it will be difficult to play have to do with expected value? i mean, if you wanna argue that it's not worth the headache in order to get an extra $20 of equity alright, but you can't say that just because c/shoving is never -EV or because it is easier it is the best option
|
|
#38
10-08-2007, 07:29 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
I like a c/r all-in on the turn
|
|
#39
10-08-2007, 07:30 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
id check shove turn. it makes the hand really easy to play and is NEVER a big mistake given our hand/equity if behind/metagame etc. [/ QUOTE ] he never folds an A and he folds all bluffs... The only reason id want to fold this is bc of his flop bet. IME, these tiny flop bets combined with the turn ~pot are "bi" hands. I definitely call sometimes tho... FWIW, i definitely see people showing up with AQ here, as bad as it is...
|
|
#40
10-08-2007, 07:31 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: eh can i maybe call this?
[ QUOTE ]
I like a c/r all-in on the turn [/ QUOTE ] Plz elaborate. the more i think about it, the more i understand why the turn push is a good option, but i wouldnt mind someone throwing some more words out there.
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
