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Old 11-30-2007, 07:33 PM
mendacity mendacity is offline
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

I think your question as played is how often this is a set versus TT-QQ, AA. This is not a spot to find intution to guide you to an answer.

Your notes say, "auto raises cbets." This is a perfect board for you to get your stack in.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

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I think your question as played is how often this is a set versus TT-QQ, AA. This is not a spot to find intution to guide you to an answer.


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no, my main concerns are
(1) my PF plan, and
(2) how to get the most value out of smaller over pairs/TP type hands and bluffs. i called PF with the intention of stacking off on almsot all non-Ace flops

i realize that villains somtimes outfops me, but not often enough for me to ever consider folding at any point, correct?
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

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donk flop

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why? b/3b on the flop looks waay too strong because CO would put me on a set pretty much 100% of the time on that dry ass board, and would have a pretty easy fold with any overpair with not a whole lot of money commited to the pot.

i can see a case for donking flop/calling a raise, then stackadonk turn, but my line accomplishes pretty much the exact same thing right? but makes me more money when villain is fos/decides to make a big fold, and costs me the same amount when vilain has AA/sets

also flop ch/r on a dry board looks pretty damn bluffy, no?

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if his hand range is ATC, then isn't he going to fold to show flop check-raise a ton. Do you think he really will 3-bet bluff you alot? If so, then I like your line.

But it seems to me that he'll be much more willing to bluff-raise a donk bet, then bluff 3-bet a check raise.

that was my thinking at least.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:44 PM
Cernunnos Cernunnos is offline
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

yout pf plan is ok, but i would much rather try to nail a squeezer when i have posistion,
and given that you have underrepped your hand preflop and the previous history as you described get your stack in,

it will certainly surprise villians that your prepared to lay a big trap with KK for him
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:44 PM
Bramsterdam Bramsterdam is offline
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

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also flop ch/r on a dry board looks pretty damn bluffy, no?

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, so folding is no option.

I like the way you played this hand and the reasoning behind it as well
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:47 PM
mendacity mendacity is offline
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

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I think your question as played is how often this is a set versus TT-QQ, AA. This is not a spot to find intution to guide you to an answer.


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no, my main concerns are
(1) my PF plan, and
(2) how to get the most value out of smaller over pairs/TP type hands and bluffs. i called PF with the intention of stacking off on almsot all non-Ace flops

i realize that villains somtimes outfops me, but not often enough for me to ever consider folding at any point, correct?

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1) your pf plan is fine, it's also a decent balancing act

2) given stacks-sizes I think he's going to give up on his turn/river shoves as noted earlier. Given the stacks are awkward he may force himself to make a heroic call thinking you a re-bluffing him in addition to the pot odds he's being compensated.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

well played hand as long as you shoved
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

I also think donking flop sucks, because if we call or 3bet his raise, alarm bells will be going off in his head.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:23 PM
Wilson Cortez Wilson Cortez is offline
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Default Re: KK vs a reg - i coldcall in the SB

i like the c/r given that he c bets every flop, but he raises a lot of flops too, then you might want to lead. shove and if he has you beat reload.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:26 PM
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go broke plz
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