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Old 11-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Sounded Simple Sounded Simple is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

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--> any other reraise size should be big enough to provide against setminers, that is, itīs big enough to fold out most JJ-/TT- hands

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This is where you make the monies with big PP.
Many people will try to setmine you regardless of the odds - so give them the chance to make expensive mistakes.
Dont let them away light by forcing them to play correctly.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:18 PM
Makonnen Makonnen is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

I like this given specific reads, but absent that, I think a raise to $5 or $6 is great. You _want_ to see a flop here, and you _want_ to play poker.

I think that he has to call more often than he will to counteract the lost value.
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Old 11-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Abdullaev Abdullaev is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

I like what Sounded Simple said. A lot of setminers will call a big reraise--to $6 or $7 for example--still trying to setmine. I'd rather punish them with a raise like that than push them out entirely.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

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I like what Sounded Simple said. A lot of setminers will call a big reraise--to $6 or $7 for example--still trying to setmine. I'd rather punish them with a raise like that than push them out entirely.

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I really hate these absurd raises. We want calls with our big hands, this is where our profit is derived from.
1. We want to have villain call our 3 bet. Picking dead money is fine, but KK/AA is far more valuable heads up in position after the flop.

2. If we re-raise to around 3-4 our SPR postflop will be 2.5 or 3. This value is easy for hero to get it all in postflop on any Aceless flop. On flops with an Ace, then Cbet and reevaluate turn and river.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

what an awful play. reraise to 5 or so and let's play.
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:01 AM
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Default Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove

Full stacks are calling this from behind approximately never (I sheepishly admit to trying it before in the past) You need a *very* good player specific reason to do it, basically either your or his table image has to be "total maniac".
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