Conspire`s 9/11 Conspiracies

[Conspire]

The morning of September 11, 2001 I was in high school just sitting in class when a teacher from across the hall walks in and says that a plane has just crashed into the world trade center. My teacher almost immediately turns the tv on and I get my first glimpse of the world trade center. The reporter is saying that a second plane has crashed into the other tower, and I just keep watching while not really realizing how big of an event this is. I always thought that the news reported what was really going on, it is not until I got out of high school that I started realizing that what I see and hear is not always the truth. There is always two sides to a story and that is what this post is all about. At that time I also did not believe that there would be so many odd coincidences surrounding 9/11.

Before I dive into the 9/11 conspiracy, in 1993 the world trade center was bombed for the first time. There are valid newspaper articles of leaked information that the F.B.I. was involved with terrorists who were trying to blow up the towers. A retired egyptian general was given 1 million dollars, explosives and a detonator, and was told to make a bomb. The F.B.I. had told him that this was just a test and that they were not really going to blow up the tower. Yet the F.B.I. kept track of him and made sure he was not slacking, the officer started to get really worried and was wondering if this was even a test at all. Then one day he got a call from the head of the F.B.I. He secretly recorded a conversation with the head of the F.B.I. of New York ordering him to let this bombing take place. This is all information that the F.B.I. admits to by the way. This bombing is gonna go down, [censored] is about to hit the fan, only one problem, the drivers of the truck were suppossed to park by a main support column, they failed that task and parked about a dozen feet away. This really screwed everything up, the bomb went off, the tower didnt fall, there was no huge death toll, and the media quickly forgot about it. This 1993 attack is of course important, but no longer has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracy, it was just a failed prelude. I just wanted to give a quick overview of some of the crazy [censored] that happened in 1993.

I could pretty much type out a 5 page essay, but I came to the conclusion that I would just list some of the conspiracies and we can discuss them as a group. Just go ahead and quote one of these and ask a question and I and hopefully other people can give their view on it. I had a hard time figuring out how exactly to make this post, how it is now seemed to be the most efficient way. I also feel that this way leaves everything open for discussion and views which is really what this is all about, lets make this a mission to come to a group conclusion on the validity of some major conspiracies of 9/11. If this thread is successful I will keep adding conspiracies and go further down the wormhole, also if any of u want to post a conspiracy that would be great, I would be happy to give my paranoid view on it.

There are so many conspiracies (coincidences) that I could go on and on about, lets just start with these ones and go from there.


Did Bush know this attack was going to happen, and if he did how long did he know? The CIA received reports from many many many countries saying that they knew bin laden was planning an attack on america.

New World Order. This would take 10 pages to even try to explain (Get a one dollar bill, on the back to the left, the pyramid with the eye) Illumanati.

A few months before the attack Indian and Pakistan diplomats went public stating that U.S. forces were massing outside of Afghanistan.

The Bush and Bin Laden family have ties that go back like half a century. The Carlyle group is the biggest defense contractor on the planet, and the majority owners of this company is of course the Bush and Bin Laden families.

On 9/11 there were war game exercises taking place (a plane hijacking scenario) many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond. Not to mention mass confusion.

There was a huge insurance policy put on the world trade center (specifically covering terrorist attack)

Why were members of the Bin Laden family in America when this attacked happened, and why were they flown out of the country 2 days later?

Were the towers rigged with explosives? (Sup DDY)

What really happened to flight 93? Did it really crash? (I believe that in landed in Ohio) What is up with the crash site photos?

Im gonna save some of the real oddball conspiracies like the information I got on Micheal Moore (was working for the government and left out major obv things in his movie farenheit 9/11). Let me know how good/bad this was so I can make future articles of this nature much better and easier to read. Sorry about the crappy paragraphs [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[nick604]

Hey, nice job. This is the first conspiracy theory article I've ever actually read in its entirety - I like the way your style isn't over-sensational, and you come across as far more sane than most conspiracy theorists!

I guess of all the conspiracy theories 9/11 is the one that interests me the least (because there's been so much saturation of it), but I suppose conversely that makes it the perfect place to start and these threads could have potential if you carry on with them.

I'd never heard the stuff about the FBI providing an Egyptian guy with bomb making equipment. Can you tell us more about it (especially the part where you say the FBI admit to it) and source it please?

[DING-DONG YO]

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Were the towers rigged with explosives? (Sup DDY)

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sup duu

These are pretty interesting, but do you have links to articles/evidence for these?

If you're referring to the puffs of smoke that can be seen in the lower floors as the towers collapse, it sounds like that one has been largely debunked.

A number of engineers said those puffs were actually windows, concrete and drywall being blown out. They said as the building fell, the energy compressed the air in the lower floors. As the air compressed, it began to blow out windows. The floors disintegrated under this pressure before the higher floors got to them.

I'm no structural engineer, but that seems to make sense.

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Did Bush know this attack was going to happen, and if he did how long did he know? The CIA received reports from many many many countries saying that they knew bin laden was planning an attack on america.

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It is unclear whether or not Bush knew, but I thought it was pretty much accepted that the US intelligence community and the CIA in particular, knew that Bin Laden was planning attacks on the US. They were aware of Bin Laden and the threat he posed, but did not take it seriously enough.

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A few months before the attack Indian and Pakistan diplomats went public stating that U.S. forces were massing outside of Afghanistan.

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this is extremely interesting if you could cite a reliable source

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On 9/11 there were war game exercises taking place (a plane hijacking scenario) many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond. Not to mention mass confusion.

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Of course there was mass confusion. How well do you remember 9/11 and more importantly, how things were in this country before that day? How old were you at the time?

[Conspire]

DDY I have many different videos that I got most of this from, If u want me to I will post the links. Im in the middle of a poker session right now. I will answer some of your questions in a few hours. In the meantime I guess check out this site. www.prisonplanet.com

[DING-DONG YO]

cool, I think posting the links would help.

Also, I would be curious to see how reliable the evidence in these videos is.

I keep an open mind with these conspiracy theories, but time and again, they just don't stand up. I'm over-generalizing, but most of these theories are conveniently selective about underlying data/support. It also seems like 98% of the authors and supporters of these theories fall into a two categories:
[*]college students that while not stupid, lack the experience and training to properly evaluate information and draw conclusions.
[*]authors/radio hosts that have a clear agenda to sell books/boost ratings

Bottom line is that the authors/supporters of these theories are not seasoned investigators, auditors, subject matter experts, etc. etc. Time and again it is shown that their theories are based on incomplete or selective information.

Like I said, I keep an open mind, but I am very skeptical. It takes a lot to convince me.

[Quicksilvre]

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Like I said, I keep an open mind, but I am very skeptical. It takes a lot to convince me.

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QFT...I've looked at various aspects of 9/11 conspiracy theories, on and off, and I've never seen one that's really impressed me. I think it's possible (and probable) that intelligence may have seen signs of a potential attack, but nothing specific or on this scale.

Incidentally, I read a blogger from the (UK) Guardian who suggested that some of these conspiracy theorists may be working for or supporting G.W. Bush in order to keep people from concentrating on how the war in Iraq is going. That in itself is a conspiracy theory, of course, and not all that believable, but no less so that some of the 9/11 theories.

[Dominic]

what makes you believe United 93 landed?? And if it did, what happened to the plane and the people on it?

While I don't believe any of this conspiracy stuff, I do approve of your avatar. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[youtalkfunny]

I usually pity conspiracy theorists (aw, poor paranoid soul!), but more often, I scorn them. Often, as in the case of the OP, you can tell by the way he speaks/writes that he's reasonably intelligent, and it is my belief that a reasonably intelligent person has to make an effort to overcome his intelligence in order to swallow some of this nonsense.

I didn't read the entire OP, but I skimmed a line or two here and there. This particular line floored me:


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On 9/11 there were war game exercises taking place (a plane hijacking scenario) many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond.

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If you're a reasonably intelligent person, you simply cannot believe that a diversion was conjured up in advance to divert every fighter jet in the United States military to Alaska--except for eight of them, who apparently didn't get the memo.

What were they practicing that day, "Let's see if we can get 10,000 fighter jets to fly in a single formation!"???

If they were holding the biggest "war games exercises" in the history of aviation, there would still be a lot more than eight fighter planes that didn't participate in them.

Think about how many Air Force Bases there are in the continental US. There are four or five good-sized ones in California alone. I'm not even counting the Navy flyers, or Marine Harriers, and don't forget the US Army has more aircraft than the other three branches combined.

Now, imagine that every fighter jet from every AFB in the country was ordered to fly up to Alaska the second week in September--except for Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. Every fighter jet in the country, head north; you boys in Vegas, stand by. Do you think there would only be eight jets standing by???

Nellis is home to the 53rd Wing, the 57th Wing, the 98th Range Wing, and the 99th Wing, and the USAF Air Demonstration Squad (The Thunderbirds). I don't know what any of that means, but I bet they can scrape up more than eight fighter jets.

Please explain to me how you can type something as patently foolish as "many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond."

You don't seem like a foolish person. How do you delude yourself into believing such nonsense?

[Conspire]

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I usually pity conspiracy theorists (aw, poor paranoid soul!), but more often, I scorn them. Often, as in the case of the OP, you can tell by the way he speaks/writes that he's reasonably intelligent, and it is my belief that a reasonably intelligent person has to make an effort to overcome his intelligence in order to swallow some of this nonsense.

I didn't read the entire OP, but I skimmed a line or two here and there. This particular line floored me:


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On 9/11 there were war game exercises taking place (a plane hijacking scenario) many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond.

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If you're a reasonably intelligent person, you simply cannot believe that a diversion was conjured up in advance to divert every fighter jet in the United States military to Alaska--except for eight of them, who apparently didn't get the memo.

What were they practicing that day, "Let's see if we can get 10,000 fighter jets to fly in a single formation!"???

If they were holding the biggest "war games exercises" in the history of aviation, there would still be a lot more than eight fighter planes that didn't participate in them.

Think about how many Air Force Bases there are in the continental US. There are four or five good-sized ones in California alone. I'm not even counting the Navy flyers, or Marine Harriers, and don't forget the US Army has more aircraft than the other three branches combined.

Now, imagine that every fighter jet from every AFB in the country was ordered to fly up to Alaska the second week in September--except for Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. Every fighter jet in the country, head north; you boys in Vegas, stand by. Do you think there would only be eight jets standing by???

Nellis is home to the 53rd Wing, the 57th Wing, the 98th Range Wing, and the 99th Wing, and the USAF Air Demonstration Squad (The Thunderbirds). I don't know what any of that means, but I bet they can scrape up more than eight fighter jets.

Please explain to me how you can type something as patently foolish as "many of our fighter jets were doing these exercises (some of which took place in alaska). There were only 8 jets that were able to respond."

You don't seem like a foolish person. How do you delude yourself into believing such nonsense?

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Upon reading what u have wrote, I now realize how bad I screwed up when writing out that one about having hardly any fighter jets in the air to protect our country. I know that it is crazy to believe that a diversion could be planned in advance for all the fighters to not be able to respond. It is also crazy to believe a lot of the other things I have said, but if the planes could not have been diverted we could of atleast stopped the airliner crashing into the pentagon, we probably could of stopped the 2 airliners from crashing into the towers. That could not happen because these attacks are part of the plan, to get America into war, and to make lots and lots of money. Take a step back and look at all the intelligence failures leading up to the 9/11, during the actual attack, and the cover ups that followed after the attack. To me there seems to be a lot of people slacking off. I got more information on why I believe our skies were unprotected, I just need to find it. For now I ask that u watch this video during 23:00 to 30:00 http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3&hl=en-GB

Also check out this news article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2222205.stm


I also encourage everyone reading this to atleast browse through this site - http://www.911timeline.net


I will be back later to answer earlier questions (I promise)

[Dominic]

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if the planes could not have been diverted we could of atleast stopped the airliner crashing into the pentagon, we probably could of stopped the 2 airliners from crashing into the towers.

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how?

No one knew the planes were hijacked until after the first plance crashed into the WTC. Even after they knew there were planes being hijacked they didn't know how many or which ones were being so! Do you know how many commercial airliners are in the air over the U.S. at any give moment? A lot. A lot more than the military can keep tabs on.

You theory is preposterous.