AP thread 872.6 - Statement ITT

[whangarei]

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I just want to highlight that there is no evidence - beyond an anonymous poster on an internet message board - that there was any wrong doing by AP in the car raffle and/or the charity popcorn.

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I understand what you are saying, but i'm not anonymous. I will stand behind the car lease fraud 100%. The person who told me about it is above reproach and telling the truth. I will happily bet lots of $$ that it is a fact.

Further on popcorngate, this person also said the proceeds made it back to Vancouver as it was in plain view in the office. Where it went after that, they didn't know.

Adam.

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Also Druff told us about PopcornGate. Maybe Tuco and Druff have the same source tho, dunno.

[PartyScout]

All im intrested in is when these T-shirts are going to get printed! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[waveydavey]

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Someone posted volume stats for the past couple weeks, and it appeared that traffic at AP was down about 15%. It seems to me that there are fewer regulars at the AP tables I play on. For most of this year I have played only at AP and even I, someone who thinks that it benefits me personally if AP gets fishier, have started playing some on Stars and Full Tilt, getting in the groove there just in case AP somehow gets unplayable. So they are paying a price, and I think the price will get worse before it gets better for them. I want AP to be stung, but not to death. I think that's the best solution. Say a fifty million dollar hit in their value, that should be sufficient incentive for others to work to avoid cheating. And if they have a permanent decline in traffic of about thirty percent, that's probably a fifty million dollar hit, roughly.

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This would be a recoverable situation, and as far as I'm concerned they should be allowed to recover if those responsible don't have any part of it. My concern would be that they simply decide to close up shop and start afresh. If AP are to blame then AP should be held accountable, if persons at AP are to blame, then those persons should be held accountable. I really don't see a boycott having a significant long term effect by itself. A fifty million dollar hit in their value is like a 100 point drop in the Dow. It stings, but give it time and you'll be back where you were before and more.

[cpitt398]

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Of course these stories aren't mentioned on Cardplayer.com's home page, nor are they mentioned in the News page. CardPlayer is trying to bury this story to protect their advertiser. CardPlayer sucks and should be boycotted until they start refusing AP advertising and start featuring the AP cheating story .

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While Cardplayer reaches a lot of the poker-playing public, I believe ESPN.com reaches far more of the casual poker-playing demographic who have not yet heard this story. However, ESPN has also, so far, buried this story in their "ESPN Poker Club" section. This may be because of ESPN's business interests involving poker, but with enough pressure, they would probably feature this story on their homepage. And if ESPN still doesn’t bring greater coverage to this story, if enough people report that to ESPN’s ombudsman she may bring this issue up.

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i dont think there is any conspiracy involving ESPN not putting this on their homepage. In all honesty, it shouldn't be on their homepage. What does this have to do with sports? The world series is about to start, college football, so on

[Ultra Violet]

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All im intrested in is when these T-shirts are going to get printed! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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I can whip up some t-shirts / sweatshirts / etc and get that going. Does anyone have any particular phrases or messages in mind? Any URLs? Just let me know and I will get on it....

[getterdone36]

they moved the t-shirt thread over to MTT community

[adanthar]

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Again a matter of opinion. Sure someone got careless, and someone savvy enough to realise it asked for a hand history . It was lucky that the entire tournament details were sent, but it may or may not have been a goof. My own feeling is that it was a deliberate disclosure, but again that's just my opinion, and at this juncture a moot point.

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your opinion is wrong, fyi

[FoxInTheHenHouse]

ESPN is a sports network.
Poker is a sport.
ESPN broadcasts poker and accepts advertising from poker sites.
ESPN should be interested in this story.

[adanthar]

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ESPN is a sports network.
Poker is a sport.
ESPN broadcasts poker and accepts advertising from poker sites.
ESPN should be interested in this story.

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ESPN is running a big story on it very soon.

[prodonkey]

if you can drink beer while you are playing it.. it isn't a sport