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Old 11-24-2007, 05:59 AM
cwar cwar is offline
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Default Re: grrrrr... A6 in the sb??? high blinds

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Well A6 isn't very good, so you're not magically going to get a ton of value. If he's that stationy just go all in.

Im still trying to figure out why people adhere to the same strategies against different opponents. Min raising and auto-cbetting doesn't seem like the best solution every time.

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I don't like any other option I can think of. I don't much like the play I stated either, but that's what I would do in practice and it's what I'm comfortable doing.

Fwiw, if the guy's bad enough that pushing 15bbs with A6 is profitable, then I've been overestimating him.

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Pushing A6o is profitable against anyone. UNEXPLOITABLE!
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Old 11-24-2007, 11:50 AM
FeNeF FeNeF is offline
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Default Re: grrrrr... A6 in the sb??? high blinds

A6o is crappy enough and the blinds are short enough that I think I'd pretty much always push. There just isn't that much value in it. Against certain types of idiots (the ones who fold to every c-bet unless they hit) I might raise small and c-bet, and if he's really, REALLY bad I might consider limping , but in general I don't think you're going to get more value limping or raising than shoving.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:16 PM
sonneti sonneti is offline
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Default Re: grrrrr... A6 in the sb??? high blinds

Probably shoving preflop.. min raise/cbetting doesnt work that well against people that wont fold & will play back.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: grrrrr... A6 in the sb??? high blinds

My thinking went like this:

My opponent has already proven that he will race wide. If I hit and bet, he will not likely double me through (because, lets be honest, he would have to hit while I hit, and it would be hard for him to call a shove with a pair of tens with an ace on the board, although it is possible)

So, the problem I have is understanding how shoving this at 15bbs in "unexploitable." I couldn't care less about unexploitable, I am looking for optimal.

I could go on with a tangent about "waiting for better spots," but I feel too lazy to write anything at the moment, so I figured that this would be as good a spot as any.

Limp:

If I limp, he may shove (I would call, obv.), or check. If I bet and he c/r's me, I may have to call. But the most likely scenario is that either he will donk into me or we will check it down if I miss on the flop. I would win if he misses, etc.

If he did donk into me, would I be able to raise AI?

Raise:

Well. I could attempt to steal the blinds, except this guy has played every single hand thus far. So, unless I feel like I can get maximum value post flop, I can't see a min-raise here.

Shove:

I don't have to make any decisions, he will be willing to call with any A, probably any two Broadways, and any pocket pair. I felt like I was ahead enough of his racing range to make this a shove.

Thus, I shoved.
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