Can I win $30/hour playing 25NL? - Page 7

Johnes Benjamin · #61 06-26-2007, 11:46 PM

At least 10 tables is necessary. You have been running good and I'm sure you can appreciate how much your overall winrate would decrease after a couple even days, let alone - days.
good luck, let us know what happens.

diebitter · #62 06-27-2007, 03:18 AM

I can sustain about 20+bb/100 (that's real bb, not pokertracker bb) one tabling at nl50-nl200. But I've not got enough hands in to be confident this is my true winrate, but it's around that now and has been for 40k+ hands in the past (I lost all my stats in May, and moved to stars at the same time - the 40K+ in the past was all on Party). That's nowhere near enough to be sure that's a true winrate, I could have been running white-hot. I also have to stress there's no way someone relatively new to poker could do this.

I've recently gone to two-tabling most of the time, with a little drop-off of winrate.

But if I add more tables, it drops off rapidly, though I am trying to sustain it at 3, and finally top out at 4-tabling. I just can't observe all the things I need to, make notes, work backwards through the betting to help reduce hand ranges, or make sophisticated plays to maximise extraction at more than 2 tables currently, but as I say, trying to grow that to 4.

In addition, I can't make anywhere this rate at nl25 or below. The players are too poor to 'play the players', you have to have decent cards most of the time. Okay, you can still get a goodly winrate but waiting and really being aggressive when you hit (especially if you are good at pot control/building), but even so.... I spent the whole month of May trying different approaches to nl25, and it's pretty clear playing very tight and many tables is the way to make money from nl25.

LearningCurve · #63 06-27-2007, 03:42 AM

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In addition, I can't make anywhere this rate at nl25 or below. The players are too poor to 'play the players', you have to have decent cards most of the time. Okay, you can still get a goodly winrate but waiting and really being aggressive when you hit (especially if you are good at pot control/building), but even so.... I spent the whole month of May trying different approaches to nl25, and it's pretty clear playing very tight and many tables is the way to make money from nl25.

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Thanks for this. It's pretty much what I've found but wasn't sure whether it was just me. Nice to have confirmation from a credible source. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

CityFan · #64 06-27-2007, 04:40 AM

Good, so a WR like that (diebitter's) can probably be achieved then, at least by a good player.

In all honesty, I'm not as "new to poker" as some in this thread seem to assume, and I do have trouble giving credit to someone who plays twenty tables (twenty!) and thinks they know what a good winrate is. How can you possibly play good poker at twenty tables?

In any case I plan to move up, keep playing poker for fun (which may involve two-tabling NL25 anyway) and hopefully reach the big time where I'm raping all you HUD-bots at NL100.

I can't wait [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

chicken10der · #65 06-27-2007, 04:44 AM

this guy's hilarious

diebitter · #66 06-27-2007, 05:14 AM

Plz posts results after your next 2000.

Thrahl · #67 06-27-2007, 05:46 AM

You shouldn't use results at 10nl to gauge your skill level.
A chimpanzee in a coma could crush 10nl.

CityFan · #68 06-27-2007, 05:48 AM

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You shouldn't use results at 10nl to gauge your skill level.
A chimpanzee in a coma could crush 10nl.

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Yeah that's true - but I wouldn't believe it until he had 50k hands obv.

How would the chimp do at 25NL?

Thrahl · #69 06-27-2007, 05:52 AM

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You shouldn't use results at 10nl to gauge your skill level.
A chimpanzee in a coma could crush 10nl.

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Yeah that's true - but I wouldn't believe it until he had 50k hands obv.

How would the chimp do at 25NL?

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Playing ABC, weak tight poker. The chimp could manage around 2ptb/100 assuming he doesn't monkey tilt.

Specialwon · #70 06-27-2007, 06:27 AM

The problem with playing 4 or less tables is that you can't shift hands in volume, which means you will get zero help from the casinos. That's like 1-2PTBB/100 right there in lost profit PER TABLE. x 20 tables or whatever, that's 20-40BB/100 gross. That's at breakeven.

Plus, these guys generally book a table profit as well, which at only 2ptbb /100 on 20 tables means a total the equivalent of between 40 and 120 PTBBS /100 at a single table. These guys are not sheep, they do it because it offers the best return for their time investment at a medium skill level which is (no disrespect to any of the guys here) as good as most of us can really aspire to be.

I guess diebitter fancies a crack at high stakes at some point, in which case his is a very different ambition from yours, which was to pay your way through your course.

Without being too personal or counselly, are you sure poker is for you? There's a lot of sitting on your own staring at screens. A lot of these guys toke loads to get through it. Isn't that maybe going backwards for you, given what you said about your life experiences?