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Old 10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
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Default out of action person bets, angleshoot????

i will use hero to describe the person who is not me but im watching this at the table. im not sure wether you would consider this an angleshoot or wether this would just be standard play using reads and/or explioting someone elses idiot tendencies.

foxwoods 1-2NL

tight player to heros right opens preflop to 10$, hero calls and loose guy out of the blinds calls. 3 handed to flop

hero holds AK

flop K 8 7 2 spades.
loose guy checks
tight guy bets 20.
hero fumbles around with chips for a little and loose guy mins it to 40 while its not his action. this has happened 2 hands ago as well where he acted out of turn.

hero wanted to raise but would it be considered an angle by just calling so he raises getting the tight guy to call then put in your raise?

i asked the floor if the guy who raised is still bound to the raise and he said as it stands now the bet does not stand because it isnt a legal action. but foxwoods plans to change this rule in the near future.

i personally dont think this is an angle because its the same as using a read or the way he looks when he will raise to base your action on the most +EV. this is all dependent on if the cardroom consideres this as a binding bet.
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