AKs 3bet pot flopped A

HustlerLA · #1 10-17-2007, 03:51 PM

700 effective stacks. Live 5/5NL, LA casino
I have been raising in position quite a bit and particualrly in teh last few minutes with some SC's and was glad to
find A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button. 2 EP limpers, and folded around to me and I raise to 30. BB young guy very cocky telling people "I shoulda have stacked you in the last hand" several times. I see him as TAG def. not LAG but may be assuming I am raising light. He 3bets from the BB to 105.
Hero? What is standard here, does anyone 4bet? Note: this is live (much less 3betting) and we arent short stacked.

Hero called. Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB leads for 100 into pot$240ish. Hero ?

hero called.
Turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. BB checks, hero?
I checked thinking WAWB, and if ahead he doesnt have many outs.
River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], BB donks for 100 into 440pot.

Hero? I just called, anyone raise here?

ycjason · #2 10-17-2007, 03:55 PM

I think that river is a good card for you. It makes weaker Ace think they have a chop against AJ/AT type of hand. put in a raise of 350?

HustlerLA · #3 10-17-2007, 04:24 PM

Few live players at this level 3bet AJ-

HustlerLA · #4 10-17-2007, 04:35 PM

Ohh, you are thinking they put us on AJ or AT so they were 3betting with A9-, this is not part of his range.

WizardAce · #5 10-17-2007, 04:55 PM

i would reraise those guy pre. if he calls, you have an easy shove on the flop.
but ok you called pre, thats ok too.
he checks the turn and bets the river very small. had he kings there? i think raise to 300 is ok, but if you observed him to be a super trapy player than i am fine with a flat call. against average player raise

HustlerLA · #6 10-17-2007, 06:49 PM

I also thought he had kings throughout the hand, but when he donked 100 into 440 on the river, it felt like it was a value bet maybe a blocking bet. I thought maybe he was betting the KK for value if I called light with JJ or a Q, so I considered a raise to 300 as you suggested, but as you suggested I thought there was some miniscule value in a raise but thought he may have QQ. He ended up showing AA, cooler but I think i got out as cheap as possible.

KitanaiCALL · #7 10-17-2007, 07:05 PM

in a live situation against a TAG i would interpret that bet on the flop as weakish, and would be tempted to raise him on a future street. Yet, I have commonly seen this play where better than avg players take the line of 3 betting pre, cbet flop, check turn to be a monster. Therefore I believe that taking the WA/WB line is optimal in this situation for that chance that he infact has us beat. I really like the check on the turn btw.

HustlerLA · #8 10-17-2007, 07:14 PM

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in a live situation against a TAG i would interpret that bet on the flop as weakish, and would be tempted to raise him on a future street. Yet, I have commonly seen this play where better than avg players take the line of 3 betting pre, cbet flop, check turn to be a monster. Therefore I believe that taking the WA/WB line is optimal in this situation for that chance that he infact has us beat. I really like the check on the turn btw.

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Thank you, I always post hands I botched and liked my line on this one and wanted to see if others agreed with the line/reasoning. Yes although he wasnt great he was far above average and I felt that he might be taking the stack a donk line.

tuckercat · #9 10-17-2007, 07:51 PM

i think as played you lost the minimum, although i would strongly consider a fold preflop in this spot...live nits NEVER re-raise out of the blinds without a big pair, best case scenario he has JJ-QQ and you're flipping, in which case you are almost certainly not making any money if an overcard comes. also, they're way more likely to call preflop with JJ-QQ than they are to raise, so most times your dominated preflop in these situations.