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Old 10-08-2007, 06:06 PM
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Default $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

Hey SSNL,

I usually play $50 or $100 HUSNGs but for the past week I have experimented with $100NL 6-max with good results.

Villain is a multi-tabling regular TAG. He is very aggressive but also very controlled. He understands position.

His stats are 17/14/5.5 over 600 hands. He usually leaves my table if it gets 3-handed. FWIW, with 6 players his UTG range is 11/9.

He does not go crazy pf but is capable of reraising me pf if he thinks I am out of line. I have returned the favor on occasion, and both of us generally fold to each other's 3bets. This is his first 4bet. I called thinking that I had no FE, and that I would get it in on any non-A flop. He is probably good enough to fold QQ to a 5bet.

Given history, is this a shove pf? Easy call? If flop comes rags, easy CRAI (or call AI) and if he has AA, so be it, right?

Comments on bet sizing and anything else welcome.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)


UTG ($223.75)
Button ($92.10)
SB ($134.10)
Hero ($121.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, Button calls $3.50, SB calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $42.5</font>, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $25.

Flop: ($92) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $92</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $92
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

Why are you afraid of an A high flop?
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

Get it in preflop.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

imo cry and get it in preflop
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

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Old 10-08-2007, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

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yeah was just thinking that after i posted, but given history if he calls i still say he has a good chance of having aces
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

shove preflop because

- you get value from AK which will rarely stack off on a rag flop
- you won't fold postflop anyways unless an Ace hits because you will have less than a potsize bet left

there is not a single reason for not shoving preflop
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

With two PF callers this easily looks like a squeeze to him, get this in all day
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

How could the conditions be different to release KK with a ~120BB stack?

Seems like you would need multiple raisers.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: $100NL KK, heavy pf action vs. good TAG, bad flop. Standard?

Thanks for all the comments, guys. I will write more in a bit, but first, let me ask: as played, c/f flop? Am I right to think he never has less than AK here?
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