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TPTK, best line?
10-20 in AC. 10 handed for this hand. Game is a little tight right now, maybe 3-4 to flop on average, not much post flop action.
I get A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in MP. EP limps (seen him limp J8o from MP; limping too many hands to be very good). I raise. New player to my immediate left (MP2) (20'sish white kid) 3-bets (its like his 3rd hand). SB folds. BB calls (loose-passive, definite donator). EP calls. I call. 4 to flop for 12.5 SB. Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB checks. EP checks. What is my best line here and what should I do, given various responses by MP2 and the rest of the table, for the rest of the hand? Thank you for your comments. |
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Re: TPTK, best line?
20ish white kids are usually very aggro. I like leading here and hoping he raises AK or 3 bet me light w/KQ. Even if he's got KK he's protecting our equity by folding out middle pair hands that would be correct to call 1 bet. I prolly just call here if he raises and check the turn. Not too many free cards to worry about. I'm almost certainly going to showdown w/this hand unless theres some weird action on the turn or river.
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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Even if he's got KK he's protecting our equity by folding out middle pair hands that would be correct to call 1 bet. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you gain much of anything if KK knockes out middle pair. Almost all the equity goes to him. |
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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[ QUOTE ] Even if he's got KK he's protecting our equity by folding out middle pair hands that would be correct to call 1 bet. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you gain much of anything if KK knockes out middle pair. Almost all the equity goes to him. [/ QUOTE ] yeah it only helps us when we improve to 2 pair AND one of the villain's would have improved to trips. |
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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20ish white kids are usually very aggro. I like leading here and hoping he raises AK or 3 bet me light w/KQ. Even if he's got KK he's protecting our equity by folding out middle pair hands that would be correct to call 1 bet. I prolly just call here if he raises and check the turn. Not too many free cards to worry about. I'm almost certainly going to showdown w/this hand unless theres some weird action on the turn or river. [/ QUOTE ] I think checkraising is going to be a lot better here with TPTK+BDFD. On a Q-high board EP raise vs EP 3bet live you're rarely going to see raises with AK and hands that you would hope that raise you, but I think he'll still bet any pocket pair and often AK on the flop here when you check, as well as KQs if that's in his range. Rob |
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Re: TPTK, best line?
Rob, I don't see the BDFD but I agree with a checkraise. This is a super dry flop. Only if BB managed to dive in with 54s does anyone have more than 3-4 outs against us when we're ahead. I like getting a lot of chips in our pot.
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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Rob, I don't see the BDFD but I agree with a checkraise. This is a super dry flop. Only if BB managed to dive in with 54s does anyone have more than 3-4 outs against us when we're ahead. I like getting a lot of chips in our pot. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this the classic way ahead way behin scenario? I think one thing that RobA has to mention is that with the exception of a few people, 3 betting ranges in the Borgata 10 20 game is very very narrow. I think check calling down or betting/calling a raise on the flop then calling down is the only two ways to go. If this turns into a big pot you really have no chance of winning. |
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dr -- if it was heads up, I agree with you. But there are 2 other people in the pot besides the PF 3-bettor, so we want them to donate.
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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Isn't this the classic way ahead way behin scenario? [/ QUOTE ] If it were heads up. I'd check raise this and I'm seeing a showdown unless the action gets really heavy. |
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Re: TPTK, best line?
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Rob, I don't see the BDFD but I agree with a checkraise. This is a super dry flop. Only if BB managed to dive in with 54s does anyone have more than 3-4 outs against us when we're ahead. I like getting a lot of chips in our pot. [/ QUOTE ] Weird, I swear when I first saw this the post said A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Anyway I still like a checkraise. Rob |
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