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#1
11-21-2007, 12:57 PM
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spot
a friend played this hand online in a 10-handed game.
All he is seen from SB is that he once raised AK, made a pair, and bet every street. He is tight. BB is unknown. Hero raises QQ utg, SB 3bets, BB calls, hero caps, both call. flop: 678r sb bets, bb calls, hero raises, sb 3bets, bb coldcalls, her calls. turn:5 sb check, bb checks, hero....? 
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#2
11-21-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: spot
hero should bet the turn and decide these are the last chips he's putting in the pot unless he makes a set on the river and it's checked to him. it's close though because the chances bb held on on the flop to make a straight or that sb has a bigger overpair are high. betting's a little better than checking because letting players he has beat draw for free to open-ender on the board for a chop is -EV, also hero can fold easily to a turn c/r and expect to be drawing dead to miracle chop.
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#3
11-21-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: spot
I don't like this spot. I might lean toward checking and seeing what happens. SB seems tight from your description, and this isn't 6 max where an UTG raise doesn't mean a top 5-10 hand, and the SB would continue with any overpair. I think we are behind way too often here, and SB is checking because he is fearful of BB and the 4 to a straight, not because of our hand...
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#4
11-21-2007, 01:42 PM
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Re: spot
i think mike is right on with everything that he said
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#5
11-21-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: spot
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i think mike is right on with everything that he said [/ QUOTE ]
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#7
11-21-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: spot
[ QUOTE ]
a friend played this hand online in a 10-handed game. All he is seen from SB is that he once raised AK, made a pair, and bet every street. He is tight. BB is unknown. Hero raises QQ utg, SB 3bets, BB calls, hero caps, both call. flop: 678r sb bets, bb calls, hero raises, sb 3bets, bb coldcalls, her calls. turn:5 sb check, bb checks, hero....? [/ QUOTE ] it should read "all he HAS seen from SB....". I am dumb.
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#8
11-21-2007, 05:48 PM
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Re: spot
well, best case scenario would be BB has overcards or a pair below QQ. Sb almost always has QQ beat here. The question is would he fold to a bet on the turn? That would be the only reason I would bet.
If you guys were the SB and held KK or AA would you fold to a turn bet? Would you have bet the turn in the first place?
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#9
11-21-2007, 05:52 PM
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Re: spot
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well, best case scenario would be BB has overcards or a pair below QQ. Sb almost always has QQ beat here. The question is would he fold to a bet on the turn? That would be the only reason I would bet. If you guys were the SB and held KK or AA would you fold to a turn bet? Would you have bet the turn in the first place? [/ QUOTE ] Nobody is folding AA or KK against an UTG raise on this board. Don't be ridiculous. His range includes very few hands that have sets or straights. Recall, UTG raised pre and capped a SB 3 bet.
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#10
11-21-2007, 06:06 PM
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Re: spot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] well, best case scenario would be BB has overcards or a pair below QQ. Sb almost always has QQ beat here. The question is would he fold to a bet on the turn? That would be the only reason I would bet. If you guys were the SB and held KK or AA would you fold to a turn bet? Would you have bet the turn in the first place? [/ QUOTE ] Nobody is folding AA or KK against an UTG raise on this board. Don't be ridiculous. His range includes very few hands that have sets or straights. Recall, UTG raised pre and capped a SB 3 bet. [/ QUOTE ] OK! recall, everybody at this table is pretty unknown to each other, I know plenty of players who would cap UTG with hands that make a straight here and YES I have seen people fold there Big pairs to a bet here face up. Stop analyzing hands as if everybody plays the way they should. Don't be ridiculous.
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