Does this play generally mean AA?

[iheartponeez]

Let's say we're both sitting with 100BB. We're on the button with KK and raise to 4BB, villain reraises to 12BB. We 4-bet to about 30 BB and he goes all-in. Does this mean "Put it away?"

[1tripz1]

What, put it away so we have both hands to fist pump?

At uNL this could be loads of hands. I have seen opponents do this with any pair, any ace, two picture cards. Most of the time with Aces they will try and slowplay it.

Kings are good.

[mackthefork]

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What, put it away so we have both hands to fist pump?

At uNL this could be loads of hands. I have seen opponents do this with any pair, any ace, two picture cards. Most of the time with Aces they will try and slowplay it.

Kings are good.

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This had happened to me now 20 times with KK, I got the money in good 3 times so far, pretty much means your XXXXed in my experience regardless of the opponent good bad or indifferent.

Mack

[iheartponeez]

Yeah, see, to me everyone on here says "Don't fold KK, there are just too many things you beat." But really, I've RAISED all-in with KK and gotten it good, but CALLING over my stack with KK usually runs me into AA.

I really think it's rare to see someone 5-bet anything less than KK or AA, which means I'm usually either tied or way behind. It seems like a folding spot to me.

[mackthefork]

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Yeah, see, to me everyone on here says "Don't fold KK, there are just too many things you beat." But really, I've RAISED all-in with KK and gotten it good, but CALLING over my stack with KK usually runs me into AA.

I really think it's rare to see someone 5-bet anything less than KK or AA, which means I'm usually either tied or way behind. It seems like a folding spot to me.

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Or maybe just save the aggro and push 4 bet instead, and they call off with worse hands. "I thought you were making a move" "Yeah so did I, I only have KK, what the $%&! are you calling that for, oh n/m the flop comes QJT anyways gg"

Regards Mack

Mack

[Abelardo]

also you don't have to 4 bet always, you can call too and raise his bet on non-A flops, very few players will throw away an overpair on safe boards

[toddxlogan]

In a word:

No. Never, ever, ever.*

Todd

*If you have a 500+hand sample size, and the guy runs like 10/5 or under, this might be ok.

[RobTheDuck]

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*If you have a 5000+hand sample size, and the guy runs like 10/2 or under, this might be ok.

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[Schiester]

Really??!!!

I have never clicked 'call' against someone w 100BB and NOT seen AA.

pf 4betting pretty much always means super premium... 5betting all-in means 'I don't care!'

Do any of you 4/5bet pf w QQ/KK against an unknown with a reasonable stack?

[toddxlogan]

yes.